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eweissenbach 07-30-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tucson (Post 915595)

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915762)
Most people I know agree with that. However. Wouldn't you say that Islamic terrorists pose the greatest risk at this time, in the world today to US......????

I feel NO personal fear from Islamic terrorists. I have more concern about my safety driving on the public highways almost daily. If I were a Jew in America I would have more fear of white supremacist groups. If I were black in America, I would fear neighborhood and drug related crime, not to mention white supremacists. If I were to go into Mexico, Central, or South America, I would fear the drug cartel would be the greatest risk. If I were South Korean I would think that North Korea was the greatest risk. If I were Palestinian I would fear Isreal was the greatest risk. Islamic terrorists are a threat to many people and are a perversion of their faith, but there are many risks that are more imminent for many people.

Rags123 07-30-2014 01:34 PM

Interesting.....

"An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
"Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

Latino 42 %
Left Wing extremists 24%
Others 16%
Jewish extremists 7%
Islamic extremists 6%
Communists 5 %"


Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog

There are some footnotes from the author worth noting...


" According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels “Extreme Left Wing Groups” and “Communists”, but not “Extreme Right Wing Groups” or “Fascists”. It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum. In addition, “Latinos” is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like. However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)"


Bottom line is the terrorist we fear the most is the one that has threatened us. I am threatened by Black Muslims because I am white....I am threatened by Islamic extremists because they publicy state they want to kill me because of my country.

Fact is right now, the extremist in Islam are the ones making the noise (in every way) and thus are going to be the most feared. AND frankly with just cause. They have been successful and efficient at killing.

I also believe the moderate Islam totally understands why this feeling...I am not saying they agree nor do they like it...but they do know why.

Anyone who harbors ammunition.....announces hate and warning to harm....has a current track record and is currently very active will get my attention at least. They could be any body of people who wish harm to me or my family, and I will fear them. You may feel it is some kind of "nice" thing to do, but you will not convince me nor lower my level of fear.

jbdlfan 07-30-2014 02:11 PM

In reading this.....It is kind of silly to be worried about Islamic Extremists when you look at how many of us have been killed in other ways. Interesting read.... Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog

Please read this if you want to truly be informed statistically.

graciegirl 07-30-2014 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 915837)
In reading this.....It is kind of silly to be worried about Islamic Extremists when you look at how many of us have been killed in other ways. Interesting read.... Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog

Please read this if you want to truly be informed statistically.

What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

CFrance 07-30-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915842)
What group do you think about when you travel by plane?

I think about the group that's in front of me and whether or not they're going to recline their seats right away.:cryin2:

jbdlfan 07-30-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915842)
What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

Not saying your feelings are silly. Just saying the foundation of these feelings are misplaced. Of course I'm not defending ANY terrorists, but for goodness, no, I don't worry about Islamic extremists when I fly. I worry if my pilot is drunk, if my luggage will be lost or if I will have a car waiting at the counter.
Now I do worry when I drive in Orlando at night, idiot drivers on I4 and the Turnpike and whether or not some people might actually stop at stop signs.
"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims." This is almost statistically insignificant. Not my numbers....
"Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing."

graciegirl 07-30-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 915861)
Not saying your feelings are silly. Just saying the foundation of these feelings are misplaced. Of course I'm not defending ANY terrorists, but for goodness, no, I don't worry about Islamic extremists when I fly. I worry if my pilot is drunk, if my luggage will be lost or if I will have a car waiting at the counter.
Now I do worry when I drive in Orlando at night, idiot drivers on I4 and the Turnpike and whether or not some people might actually stop at stop signs.
"In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims." This is almost statistically insignificant. Not my numbers....
"Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing."

Uh huh. We are talkin' NOW. And we are not talking Muslims, we are talking Islamic terrorists. Are you afraid of Islamic terrorists? If someone blew up a bridge or poisoned a big city water supply or sent Anthrax to the Office of the President of the United States, who would you think of first? We are not talking about all of the bad folks. We are talking about being honest about who is out to get us.

jbdlfan 07-30-2014 02:38 PM

Sure, I might have thought that if I hadn't actually did a bit of research and realized how small a chance it is that they would be the guilty party. I mean seriously, how can you ignore the facts and statistics? I can't.
If we are talking American soil, odds are that it will be someone other than an Islamic Extremist.

DDoug 07-30-2014 02:41 PM

The only way,and military men will agree, to maintain peace is to have a large army. Say what you will but that is a fact. Do you have insurance on your car ,why, you don't need it till you need it but then it's to late if you don't have it. Yes this is a little off the original subject.

redwitch 07-30-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915762)
Most people I know agree with that. However. Wouldn't you say that Islamic terrorists pose the greatest risk at this time, in the world today to US......????

No, Gracie, I don't. I think our greatest risk comes from within. We've become so afraid of being hurt that we're willing to give up our basic freedoms. That, to me, is far more dangerous than anything that can be done by any terrorist.

Is there a chance that there will be another terrorist attack on American soil? I'd say more than likely. Would I prefer it not happen? You're darn toot in'! Am I willing to give up my right to search and seizure? Freedom of speech? Right to assembly? No way on earth!

I do believe in profiling but real profiling, not stopping someone because they are the wrong skin color, have a hooked nose or wear non-Western clothing. Get the Israelis here and have them teach TSA workers how to profile, what behavior to look for ... Not this search everyone and, should you LOOK Muslim, be prepared for major harassment (and it amazes how many can't tell a Sikh from a Muslim in this nation).

graciegirl 07-30-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 915890)
No, Gracie, I don't. I think our greatest risk comes from within. We've become so afraid of being hurt that we're willing to give up our basic freedoms. That, to me, is far more dangerous than anything that can be done by any terrorist.

Is there a chance that there will be another terrorist attack on American soil? I'd say more than likely. Would I prefer it not happen? You're darn toot in'! Am I willing to give up my right to search and seizure? Freedom of speech? Right to assembly? No way on earth!

I do believe in profiling but real profiling, not stopping someone because they are the wrong skin color, have a hooked nose or wear non-Western clothing. Get the Israelis here and have them teach TSA workers how to profile, what behavior to look for ... Not this search everyone and, should you LOOK Muslim, be prepared for major harassment (and it amazes how many can't tell a Sikh from a Muslim in this nation).


Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.

kittygilchrist 07-30-2014 03:19 PM

That is right Gracie, and sweet Miss Kitty is fine whenever the band of angels come, but thinking of how to hoard guns and beans in an underground nuclear shelter for her son.

eweissenbach 07-30-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915905)
Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.

Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.

graciegirl 07-30-2014 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 915930)
Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.


A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.

Steve9930 07-30-2014 03:42 PM

This group of Islamic extremist, ISIS, is going to eventually take control of the Middle East if we do nothing further to stop them. Today they shout and burn the American Flag. They kill innocent people, Christians, woman, and those that do not convert. They force Sharia Law on those under their rule. They are no different then the tyrants of the past like Hitler. They will eventually obtain Nuclear capability. Iran will be the first Islamic Nation to have a Nuclear Weapon. Once this happens the rules will change and we as a nation will be in trouble. These fanatics will not hesitate to use a Nuclear Weapon on a US City once they have the capability. They are not rational people, they are barbaric.

eweissenbach 07-30-2014 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915938)
A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.

Accidents are one thing - drinking to excess and subsequently driving an automobile is an intentional act of aggression.

Villages PL 07-30-2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915842)
What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.

That's a good point. Why all the added airport security? Is it to deter militant Christians? Skin heads? Jews? Buddhists? None of the above.

All the airport security is an effort to deter Muslim extremists.

Tennisnut 07-30-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915701)
We are talking about extreme Islamic terrorists.

No, you are only talking about extreme Islamic terrorist. Others on this post are also talking about the fact we also fear other terrorist of a non-Islamic faith while also noting that extreme Islamaist do not have a monopoly on hate.

Suzi 07-30-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 915695)
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heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.

Excuse me, but I think there ARE many religious, ethnic and idealogical groups who speak out against egregious acts. It happens and is in the news every day. So yes, I think every Muslim (for sure in this country where their lives are not in daily danger) should be in a position to defend their religion as a peaceful religious organization. They should speak out and condemn Islamic terrorist activity. They should form groups, organizations, think-tanks etc, etc. to deal with the Islamic terror that is being FORCED on the world. They should be part of the solution since they are part of America and have been given the freedom to practice their religion without fear of death. The rest of the world is not so lucky. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

Indydealmaker 07-30-2014 05:09 PM

Regardless of religion or affiliation, a Terrorist is anyone or any entity that intentionally attacks non-military targets, or uses civilians as shields.


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