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graciegirl 07-30-2014 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 915890)
No, Gracie, I don't. I think our greatest risk comes from within. We've become so afraid of being hurt that we're willing to give up our basic freedoms. That, to me, is far more dangerous than anything that can be done by any terrorist.

Is there a chance that there will be another terrorist attack on American soil? I'd say more than likely. Would I prefer it not happen? You're darn toot in'! Am I willing to give up my right to search and seizure? Freedom of speech? Right to assembly? No way on earth!

I do believe in profiling but real profiling, not stopping someone because they are the wrong skin color, have a hooked nose or wear non-Western clothing. Get the Israelis here and have them teach TSA workers how to profile, what behavior to look for ... Not this search everyone and, should you LOOK Muslim, be prepared for major harassment (and it amazes how many can't tell a Sikh from a Muslim in this nation).

Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.

kittygilchrist 07-30-2014 03:19 PM
That is right Gracie, and sweet Miss Kitty is fine whenever the band of angels come, but thinking of how to hoard guns and beans in an underground nuclear shelter for her son.

eweissenbach 07-30-2014 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915905)
Interesting and what I expected. I do know that turbans aren't scary. And Janes are kind and good and very peaceful. But I think you think just like everyone else and just like me. It just isn't what folks want to say or hear in plain speech if they are of a certain persuasion.

The real danger is there. I'm not afraid either Ed. I am 74 and don't have all that much time. But I fear for my children and grandchildren. I am much more afraid of Islamic terrorists than I am the escalating tension with Russia.
Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.

graciegirl 07-30-2014 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 915930)
Your feelings and fears are yours, and as such, they are valid. I just don't think it is a legitimate fear, FOR ME. You seem convinced that everyone shares your fear and simply don't want to express it because of political correctness, but that simply is not true for ME, and I can speak for no one but myself. When I said I had more concern (I think fear is too strong) in driving on the highways, I was being totally honest. More people in this country are killed EVERY YEAR as the result of drunk driving than were killed in all the 9/11 incidents. I detest militant extremist Islamists, as I detest all militant extremists, and yes they pose a real threat, but I think nothing about them when boarding an airplane. If I see an obvious Muslim come out of a bar and weave his way unsteadily to his car, that would frighten the hell out of me.

A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.

Steve9930 07-30-2014 03:42 PM
This group of Islamic extremist, ISIS, is going to eventually take control of the Middle East if we do nothing further to stop them. Today they shout and burn the American Flag. They kill innocent people, Christians, woman, and those that do not convert. They force Sharia Law on those under their rule. They are no different then the tyrants of the past like Hitler. They will eventually obtain Nuclear capability. Iran will be the first Islamic Nation to have a Nuclear Weapon. Once this happens the rules will change and we as a nation will be in trouble. These fanatics will not hesitate to use a Nuclear Weapon on a US City once they have the capability. They are not rational people, they are barbaric.

eweissenbach 07-30-2014 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915938)
A Muslim does not drink. People are killed in accidents and that is accidental. The folks that drove those airplanes into those buildings were aiming to kill. You don't have to think much about radical Islamic people when you board a plane because our government is worrying about them.

I'm done. On this thread. I pray we aren't all done eventually by extreme Islam.
Accidents are one thing - drinking to excess and subsequently driving an automobile is an intentional act of aggression.

Villages PL 07-30-2014 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915842)
What group do you think about when you travel by plane? Are you defending the extreme Islamic terrorists? Because the United States government takes them very seriously. I don't think the government is "silly" to do so.
That's a good point. Why all the added airport security? Is it to deter militant Christians? Skin heads? Jews? Buddhists? None of the above.

All the airport security is an effort to deter Muslim extremists.

Tennisnut 07-30-2014 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 915701)
We are talking about extreme Islamic terrorists.
No, you are only talking about extreme Islamic terrorist. Others on this post are also talking about the fact we also fear other terrorist of a non-Islamic faith while also noting that extreme Islamaist do not have a monopoly on hate.

Suzi 07-30-2014 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 915695)
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heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.
Excuse me, but I think there ARE many religious, ethnic and idealogical groups who speak out against egregious acts. It happens and is in the news every day. So yes, I think every Muslim (for sure in this country where their lives are not in daily danger) should be in a position to defend their religion as a peaceful religious organization. They should speak out and condemn Islamic terrorist activity. They should form groups, organizations, think-tanks etc, etc. to deal with the Islamic terror that is being FORCED on the world. They should be part of the solution since they are part of America and have been given the freedom to practice their religion without fear of death. The rest of the world is not so lucky. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

Indydealmaker 07-30-2014 05:09 PM
Regardless of religion or affiliation, a Terrorist is anyone or any entity that intentionally attacks non-military targets, or uses civilians as shields.


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