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Good to see you Jim!

Just look at the reigns of many Christian kings-- Henry VIII, Bloody Mary, Elizabeth facing the Spanish Armada.

I would bet that many Germans in WWII so there adopting the Third Reich as supported by God.

There are very violent sects in Islam.There are also very violent sects in Christianity.

Yes, a very cute comment. But, I'm at that point where I no longer care about being PC here.

If we let radical Islam grow in the US, it will be an even bigger problem. It's already a problem, and until we can at least acknowledge it's a problem, it will never be solved.

In a nutshell, the entire strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood is to weaken Western democracies from within by exploiting our live/let live culture etc. The ultimate objective is to impose Sharia law. That's many years away, but until we at least face up to reality, we put ourselves at longer term risk.

Yes, Muhammad also went into many trances as a child (his nurse said he was demon-possessed. He was given away by his mother to a nurse to care for him. He had no formal education and was illiterate.(I found this and more out from a book on Islam,Religion of peace or War? It is very eye-opening and I urge everyone to read it.

Maybe we should bring back internment camps. That worked so well with the Japanese-Americans.

You're largely quoting the history of warfare, which is different from the radical teachings / tendency towards violence in major religions -- which is obvious to all who look at it.

I imagine the violent sects in contemporary Christianity that you're saying compare to radical Islam are Irish nuns .. well know terrorist bombers? Or perhaps Little Sisters of the Poor who, as we see from all the headlines, often indulge in beheadings?

This beheading by a person with a knife was at a work place and simply an act of some mentally deranged person using what he saw on TV or his computer as a way of murdering someone. He just grabbed the most convenient weapon and went after whomever was in his path.

The Ft. Hood incident probably does fit in the category of a terrorist attack fueled by Islamic jihad ideas.

Maybe you should Google fundamental religion and violence.

You can reply with as much attempted ridicule and sarcasm as you wish ... but I've already told you where I stand, and I just don't care. I've had it with the PC that paralyzes us whenever the topic of Islam comes up.

And it's clear where you stand ... you see no problem with letting Islam grow and expand in the US. Hope your kids agree.

I never said that. DO NOT put words in my mouth. And, I have not used ANY ridicule or sarcasm in my posts. YOU are putting it there. I am trying to get people to actually research before making emotional outbursts that just make the whole problems worse.

I have no problem with law-abided Muslim woman and men following their faith in the US. I have a very serious problem with terrorists using religion for whatever cause they might have from the IRA, abortion clinic bombing religious fanatics, cult followers like those of Jim Jones, to some militias bombing federal buildings for some warped idea of patriotism.

All Muslim terrorists are mentally deranged. I am grateful that many countries in the world are waking up, And especially grateful that the USA finally took action.

I started two threads in July about the mess the world was in, and no one gave a response that indicated they were alert or aware of what was going on in the world other than rags 123.

On sept. 7, I stood praying for action to be taken against evil, on the north border of Israel overlooking Syria, where I could hear, feel, see and smell bombing in Quneitra, syria.

Satanically inspired evil has been given access to the USA, and its roots were established, while we were in a blind stupor.

Watch and pray.

Maybe you should expand your search ...

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Overall Tone of the Two Religions

Most Muslims are exceptionally gracious and peace-loving people. And Islam has elements of peacefulness in it. For example, Muslims point to Sura 2:256 which claims there is no compulsion in religion (compulsion), even though this passage is often interpreted in Islamic nations to mean tat "there is no competition in religion" within their borders. Another passage is Sura 29:46 which says not to dispute with People of the Book (Jews and Christians) unless they do wrong. Also, Sura 41:34 instructs that one should respond to evil with doing good deeds to the evil doer.

However, anyone who wants to commit violence has perfect justification for doing so from the Quran. While violence in the Quran is sometimes for self-defense; at other times it is open-ended.

Many passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to hate or kill or terrorize infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. See Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 2:244, 3:56, 3:151, 4:56, 4:74, 4:76, 4:89, 4:91, 4:95, 4:104, 5:51, 5:32-38, 7:96-99, 8:12-15, 8:39, 8:57-60, 8:65-67, 9:5, 9:14, 9:20-30, 9:38-41, 9:73, 9:88, 9:111, 9:123, 17:16, 18:65-81, 21:44, 22:18-22, 25:52, 33:60-62, 47:3-4, 47:35, 48:16-17, 48:29, 61:4, and 66:8-12. (Note: English translators of the Quran sometimes try to soften the true Arabic meaning of some of these passages. For example, to "fight" really means to kill in Arabic.) There are various versions of the Quran online so you can look these passages up.

There are dozens of violent prescriptive statements like those above in the Quran. Osama bin Laden in the now famous videotape discovered in Afghanistan in late 2001 is quoted as saying, "I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad." These words echo language in the Quran itself. Such calls to violence are not mere distortions of the Quran by extreme radicals who twist the Quran for their violent ends; violence is an integral part of Islam. Violence is Muslim doctrine. Just as many Christians are ignorant of what is actually in the Bible, many Muslims are not aware of such passages in the Quran.

Unbelievers in Islam receive persistent chastisement in the Quran. They are described as the "worst beasts in God's sight" (Sura 8:7). Muslims are instructed not to obey unbelievers (Sura 33:1) nor to make friends with them (Suras 58:14-15, 60:1, and 60:13). These commands open up numerous questions about the duty of Muslims who live in non-Muslim countries or work for a non-Muslim boss. Here is a link to a list of such passages: Unbelievers.

After the attempted attack by Umar Farouk Abdulmatallab the so-called "Christmas Day (2009) Underwear Bomber" several news outlets asked how a nice Muslim boy from a wealthy family could have perpetrated such an attack. Like all Islamic terrorists, the answer comes in the above passages right out of the Quran. Here is how Abdulmutallab describes the obligation of every Muslim:

"In late 2009, in fulfillment of a religious obligation, I decided to participate in jihad against the United States. The Koran obliges every able Muslim to participate in jihad and fight in the way of Allah, those who fight you, and kill them wherever you find them." (See Islam Pleads Guilty.)

But the Quran is not the only basis for violence in Islam. The example of Muhammad himself laid the foundation for violence via his deeds and commands, which are found in the hadiths. Eleven percent of the pages of the Bukhari Hadiths mention Holy War (jihad). Military jihad is a traditional and authentic part of Islam. (See Muhammad's Own Words.)

Easy there ... no shouting. Let's try this again.

I am not indulging in an emotional outburst. All I'm asking you to do now is not equate the propensity towards violence between the two religions. They are hugely different. One can always find an exception from which to extrapolate but anyone following the news the last 15 years or so can readily tell we have a problem with radical Islam. But don't wrap abortion clinic bombers in with truly bloodthirsty animal likes ISIS. Plus there's an issue of scale and how often that occurs. That comparison is actually more emotional than helpful IMHO.

Peaceful Muslims are welcome but, my issue with them is ... why are none of them standing up and speaking out? They would be a whole lot more welcome if they would take a stand. But I just don't see it on any scale.

I agree the guy yesterday was a wacko who used Islam mainly because it's been in the news.

However, to me, the Ft Hood incident was a screamingly obvious case of a terror attack, not "probably."

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Muslims have been speaking up against violence AND there are probably Muslims bombing ISIS targets as I write this.

I would bet some of the US military personnel taking part on the attacks on ISIS are Muslims.