I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

Arm the security guards for more soft targets like the Pulse nightclub as well as some movie theaters.

The stadiums have fairly tight security and are very hard targets.

The same with my wife and I........

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;

The shooter's name is Muhammed Omar Mateen. His father,Mir Seddique Mateen, who lives in Dunedin, Florida appears on a television show out of California that supports the Taliban. The shooter has a small son and an estranged wife. She says he beat her. The alleged shooter was investigated by the FBI twice in 2013, and once in 2014 and they did not have enough to charge him with anything. He was a security guard. He made a 911 call before the shooting giving credit to Isis and El bagdaddy (sp) and mentioning the Tsaronov (sp?) who did the Boston Bombings.

I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

No comparison
 

Don't compare these two.

From what I can find at this point in time the father's name is Seddique Mateen.

smh...

It's not one person filled with hate. It is a religion that preaches violence and hate. I watched a video (on channel 9?) of a visiting imam talking in Orlando in a very matter of fact tone that it is compassionate to kill homosexuals, that the consequence of homosexuality is death, and there was nothing to be ashamed about that fact. He was scary calm when he said this.

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

These events, including the young man killed in Spanish Springs the other night are what pushed me into finally buying a gun and applying for me CCW permit.

This just makes me think that it can't get here fast enough.

By the way, this incident brought out the fact that ISIS put out a notice a short while ago stating that it was going to target Florida.
They published a list of names that they intended to kill and over 600 of them were in Florida. So if you think that you're in a nice safe bubble, you might want to think again.

Get armed, get trained, carry daily.

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed? If an establishment doesn't allow concealed carry then it should be mandatory that they have several armed guards. In this case it's Florida law that doesn't allow concealed carry in places that get over 50% of their revenues from alcohol. So if the state doesn't allow me to defend myself, then they should have to supply armed guards to defend me.

And he was shouting Allahu Akbar as he fired. This was, plain and simple, another ISIS terrorist attack on US citizens.

[QUOTE=Sandtrap328;1240110]Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.[/Q


Unfortunately you will always blame the gun!
It is the sick, racist, deviant mind of a maniac who killed these people. The gun was a tool - yes! If it was a bomb what would you have banned?

Please - I have owned numerous guns for over 40 years. NEVER even aimed it at someone. I am proficient with it and basically just enjoy shooting. Would I hesitate to defend my family with it? HELL NO!

Stop blaming the gun and blame the morons who just want to kill for NO reason!

But that's what worries me. I can readily see the value in CCW for personal protection. But in situations like this, or the Denver movie theater, I see a different problem. One person with a permit sees the shooter start, pulls his weapon and fires. Someone else with a permit yells, OMG there are two of them and fires at the wrong guy. And someone else sees that and starts firing. That's why LEOs have those vests with POLICE or FBI boldly printed. Hard to know who is the enemy sometimes. There is some rationale to restricting where you can carry.

Richard.

You know we don't have guns. Guns are NOT the issue in this terrible tragedy. Radical Islamic terrorism is the issue. I don't know why anti-gun people keep changing the subject.

I am tired of politically correct discussions. Of course all Muslims aren't terrorists, but nonetheless, the powers that be who protect this country are watching mosques.

Sometimes we have to abandon being polite in the face of being safe.