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Aces4 10-06-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2143817)
My home is 100% electric and I guarantee the only people that live farther north of the Mason Dixon lines than me are Canadians. In northern Minnesota we get temperatures that are colder than -35°. With electric heat you can get off peak rates. I pay $.05/Kwh. My heating costs are roughly 2/3 of my neighbors who use heating oil or propane. :ho:

Try northern Wisconsin! Off peak… so you only heat your home between the hours of 3:00 and 4:00 am?
Get back to me about your “cheap rates” when the whole country is forced on the electrical grid. I also find it difficult to believe your electricity is cheaper than natural gas heat. Hmmm, wonder who is responsible for that.

Aces4 10-06-2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2143779)
There are replies here suggesting that it’s “the government” that’s responsible for the U.S. not drilling more and becoming self-sufficient. We should be reminded that it’s the private oil companies that do the drilling or fracking. If they could do it profitably, they would!

Why would these companies put more effort and cost into something where efforts are being made to make their industry extinct?

Vermilion Villager 10-06-2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2143931)
Nope

U.S. crude output is expected to rise 940,000 bpd to 12.85 million bpd in 2023, according to the same monthly report from the Energy Information Administration. U.S. total petroleum consumption is due to rise 730,000 bpd to 20.51 million bpd in 2022.

Hmmmmm.....in your reply I see the words like "expected" and "due". Translation: You have no facts to back up what you're posting… I gave you data directly from the department of energy website.… You give me speculation based on a 5 month old Reuters report from May 10, 2022.( I wonder how I found that out???) Try again when you get some hard verifiable data. I'll wait.:mornincoffee:

Aces4 10-06-2022 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2143931)
Nope

U.S. crude output is expected to rise 940,000 bpd to 12.85 million bpd in 2023, according to the same monthly report from the Energy Information Administration. U.S. total petroleum consumption is due to rise 730,000 bpd to 20.51 million bpd in 2022.

Would that huge increase in consumption be due to the unplanned bulge in the population that is occurring? People need to be able to survive winter conditions in the USA and also personal electricity useage.

Aces4 10-06-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2143929)
Hahahaha.......You do realize we have this thing called the In-ter-net that allows us to check fact check posts like yours.
At the time the individual you were referring took office on 1-20-2009 the US was at its lowest oil production since 1947. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you know who the president was before 1-20-2009.(hint his brother was the governor of Florida). Since 1-2009 oil production in the US increased in every year until the COVID-19 pandemic which essentially shut the whole economy down. :welcome:

If you believe that COVID is the only thing that cut US oil production since 2020-2021, I believe you’re not up to date on current events.

PugMom 10-06-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2143689)
If only we were /less/ reliant on oil...why didn't anyone try to promote that years ago?

Hm.

Oh wait - they did. And their ideas were dismissed.

And here we are, deja vu all over again.


it needs years of development before it can used en masse. it didn't help that some of these companies went bankrupt, ie: solindra. we all can't expect to live off the power until it becomes capable of handing millions, the infrastructure simply isn't there yet. and we cant use wind because there were issues with the turbines killing birds, as well as being unsightly-nobody wants it in their back yard. i feel you, but we have to walk before we can run

PugMom 10-06-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2143939)
Why would these companies put more effort and cost into something where efforts are being made to make their industry extinct?

leaders allow which lands can be used

Caymus 10-06-2022 12:39 PM

Saudi Aramco stock doesn't look that great. Maybe they should raise prices.

Stock | News | ARAMCO Stock Price Today | Analyst Opinions | Markets Insider

blueash 10-06-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2143598)
Wish we would have continued to push for more drilling so we can make up the difference.

OPEC only cares about itself and maximizing their profits

Unlike the US oil industry which is filled with executives who don't care about their profits and will happily use all the oil drilling permits they are sitting on unused because they won't drill until the profit is greater. And those US oil companies will certainly only sell their oil on the US market to US distributors. No plans whatsoever to sell US oil on the world market.

Think instead of reflexively spouting propaganda. The US is already producing enough oil to completely satisfy the US need. There is some mismatch in low sulfur vs higher sulfur oil. But there is a huge amount of oil already permitted to be drilled that is sitting in the ground in the US. It just will cost more to get it out, so the price will go up. Just like it will if OPEC drills less. The oil market is not a US vs not US world and our drilling companies are only interested in profit, just like OPEC is.

Vermilion Villager 10-06-2022 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2143944)
If you believe that COVID is the only thing that cut US oil production since 2020-2021, I believe you’re not up to date on current events.

Actually I am VERY much up on current events.
Oil production from 2021 to 2022 has increased every month and in July 2022 it was at an all-time high. It did go down slightly in August, but as analyst have said Wall Street investors and the oil industry CEO's are speculating a global recession. I think many on this site fail to realize is oil… Even oil produced in the United States is a global commodity. All the drilling in the world means nothing. It's refined petroleum products like gasoline and heating oil they make all the difference. If OPEC and Russia reduce their inventories that drives up the global price. Almost every oil company in the United States is foreign owned, and it is not in their best interest to boost supply because that drives down the price. They, including the US companies will keep the price high as long as there is demand. Do you know why gas prices were so cheap in 2020? The reason was because of the lockdown due to Covid (right or wrong) no one was driving their automobiles. That was happening around the world. If there is no demand then of course the price is cheap. It is simple economics.

JMintzer 10-06-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2143848)
Seems that some electric vehicle haters have not heard or want to pay attention to your last line.

Except they are being mandated in certain States...

JMintzer 10-06-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2143876)
According to the NASDAQ the United States produces 18.4 million barrels of oil today and uses 18.12 million barrels per day. So the US actually produces more oil than it uses.
According to Stastica a company who measures the number of oil and gas wells currently in production on any given day, the number of gas and oil wells in production today is at an all-time high and 2 times more than it was on January 20, 2021 (384 vs 765).
I trust you know what the significance of that particular day is.

Then why are we draining our strategic oil reserves?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FchUAheacAM2aMN.jpg

JMintzer 10-06-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2143935)
this is a good thread, let's not have it come down

Already circling the drain...

JMintzer 10-06-2022 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2143939)
Why would these companies put more effort and cost into something where efforts are being made to make their industry extinct?

Exactly...

JMintzer 10-06-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2143968)
Unlike the US oil industry which is filled with executives who don't care about their profits and will happily use all the oil drilling permits they are sitting on unused because they won't drill until the profit is greater. And those US oil companies will certainly only sell their oil on the US market to US distributors. No plans whatsoever to sell US oil on the world market.

Think instead of reflexively spouting propaganda. The US is already producing enough oil to completely satisfy the US need. There is some mismatch in low sulfur vs higher sulfur oil. But there is a huge amount of oil already permitted to be drilled that is sitting in the ground in the US. It just will cost more to get it out, so the price will go up. Just like it will if OPEC drills less. The oil market is not a US vs not US world and our drilling companies are only interested in profit, just like OPEC is.

I'd post a simple link, found on the In-ter-net, the refutes what you said about leases/permits, but that would be political and I don't want another vacation...

Aces4 10-06-2022 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2143976)
Actually I am VERY much up on current events.
Oil production from 2021 to 2022 has increased every month and in July 2022 it was at an all-time high. It did go down slightly in August, but as analyst have said Wall Street investors and the oil industry CEO's are speculating a global recession. I think many on this site fail to realize is oil… Even oil produced in the United States is a global commodity. All the drilling in the world means nothing. It's refined petroleum products like gasoline and heating oil they make all the difference. If OPEC and Russia reduce their inventories that drives up the global price. Almost every oil company in the United States is foreign owned, and it is not in their best interest to boost supply because that drives down the price. They, including the US companies will keep the price high as long as there is demand. Do you know why gas prices were so cheap in 2020? The reason was because of the lockdown due to Covid (right or wrong) no one was driving their automobiles. That was happening around the world. If there is no demand then of course the price is cheap. It is simple economics.

Please cite your source that almost every oil company in the USA is foreign owned. Gas is cheaper right now because our oil reserves are being depleted.

dewilson58 10-06-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2143942)
Would that huge increase in consumption be due to the .................................

No Huge Increase.................it was minor.

The reason for the point was to show totals.

:jester:

jimjamuser 10-06-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2143689)
If only we were /less/ reliant on oil...why didn't anyone try to promote that years ago?

Hm.

Oh wait - they did. And their ideas were dismissed.

And here we are, deja vu all over again.

High gas prices will force new car buyers into smaller cars, hybrids, and fully electric. Finland will require 100% electric new car sales within a few years. In the US Ebike and Emotorcycle sales will increase. Soon OPEC will have fewer customers and won't be able to lead the non-OPEC countries around by their noses.

jimjamuser 10-06-2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2143805)
I don't blame Opec, they see a movement heading to alternative fuels, once it truly takes hold the value of their product will drop. They need to make the money while they can. The problem they face with cutting production which will raise the price is that it also increases the speed of the demand for alternative fuels to take hold. It's a bizarre circle where if you keep the price low people will continue to use their product and if they raise the price of their product, they reduce the need. This has nothing to do with politics, loyalty or any idealism. The motivation is money.

The motivation is MUCH more than money.

Stu from NYC 10-06-2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2144008)
Except they are being mandated in certain States...

Wonder how many people living in Cal will drive over to Oregon to buy a new car?

JMintzer 10-06-2022 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2144054)
Wonder how many people living in Cal will drive over to Oregon to buy a new car?

You won't be able to register it in CA...

Aces4 10-06-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2144052)
High gas prices will force new car buyers into smaller cars, hybrids, and fully electric. Finland will require 100% electric new car sales within a few years. In the US Ebike and Emotorcycle sales will increase. Soon OPEC will have fewer customers and won't be able to lead the non-OPEC countries around by their noses.

Let’s hope Finland doesn’t flood since there are reports of electric cars in Florida involved in the hurricane flooding that have exploded.

JMintzer 10-06-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2144052)
High gas prices will force new car buyers into smaller cars, hybrids, and fully electric. Finland will require 100% electric new car sales within a few years. In the US Ebike and Emotorcycle sales will increase. Soon OPEC will have fewer customers and won't be able to lead the non-OPEC countries around by their noses.

Will never happen in your nor your children's lifetime...

Don't know where you got your info on Finland, but their extreme cold weather is a nightmare for EVs... And they have no laws "requiring that 100% of new cars be electric in a few years"...

Chi-Town 10-06-2022 08:04 PM

There is consideration for eliminating domestic oil exports and only allowing natural gas exports to Europe for their winter. Good luck on that; America first may not sit well with corporate goals.

Lindsyburnsy 10-06-2022 08:10 PM

Not a friendly gesture to the United States and so close to the elections. Hummm.

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2143530)
OPEC has stated they will reduce oil production by 2 million barrels a day! Obviously they are contributing to the cold winter in Europe! Not a friendly gesture to Ukraine


Stu from NYC 10-06-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2144069)
You won't be able to register it in CA...

Guess we establish a Florida address and register it there

Vermilion Villager 10-06-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2144072)
Let’s hope Finland doesn’t flood since there are reports of electric cars in Florida involved in the hurricane flooding that have exploded.

Got some proof of this? or are you doing the "many people are saying" drive by thing?

Vermilion Villager 10-06-2022 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2144009)
Then why are we draining our strategic oil reserves?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FchUAheacAM2aMN.jpg

1. It has an immediate impact of driving down prices for gasoline
2. The US doesn't give away the soil you know… They sell it on the open market at current prices. Then at a later date.....when the prices go down they will replenish the reserves at the lower value. The US government made 100's of millions of dollars off of this sale.:BigApplause:

Vermilion Villager 10-06-2022 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2144020)
Please cite your source that almost every oil company in the USA is foreign owned. Gas is cheaper right now because our oil reserves are being depleted.

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/ir_11.pdf

Two Bills 10-07-2022 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2144101)

Interesting read.
I still thought Texans in big hats owned all the oil!

tvbound 10-07-2022 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2144097)
Got some proof of this? or are you doing the "many people are saying" drive by thing?


"many people are saying"


Whether it applies in this particular case or not, it never ceases to amaze me how effective overall that statement has been...when certain people use it on their blind followers. Truly astounding - actually.

RICH1 10-07-2022 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2144012)
Already circling the drain...

meanwhile Mexico is full of oil ! Mexico is one of the largest oil producers in the world (1.9 million barrels produced daily in 2021), and the fourth-largest in the Americas after the United States, Canada, and Brazil

MorTech 10-07-2022 05:34 AM

"To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"

NoMoSno 10-07-2022 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2144097)
Got some proof of this? or are you doing the "many people are saying" drive by thing?

Electric vehicles explode due to water damage in the wake of Hurricane Ian, a senior Florida official has warned - Florida News

OhioBuckeye 10-07-2022 09:00 AM

This what they get when everything is controlled by the govt. & not by vote or the people. It’s called something, I don’t dare say!

Aces4 10-07-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2144101)

It may be an interesting read but where does it indicate most of USA oil is owned by foreign entities?

Aces4 10-07-2022 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2144120)
"many people are saying"


Whether it applies in this particular case or not, it never ceases to amaze me how effective overall that statement has been...when certain people use it on their blind followers. Truly astounding - actually.

Try following the news… people say. It’s truly astounding.:22yikes:

Aces4 10-07-2022 09:13 AM

Thank you for providing that for the doubters before I could get back!:eclipsee_gold_cup:

JMintzer 10-07-2022 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2144095)
Guess we establish a Florida address and register it there

Most states will require you to register your car when you move to that state...

JMintzer 10-07-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2144098)
1. It has an immediate impact of driving down prices for gasoline
2. The US doesn't give away the soil you know… They sell it on the open market at current prices. Then at a later date.....when the prices go down they will replenish the reserves at the lower value. The US government made 100's of millions of dollars off of this sale.:BigApplause:

No, they blocked the replenishment just a few years ago, when prices were quite low... Wonder why...


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