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Bucco 04-24-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 1752427)
To me, the discussion is much more complex. For instance, the firepower we developed during World War II is what won the war. However, our reaching out to Germany, Italy, and Japan after the war and helping them rebuild dynamic economies, is what stopped the cycle of wars that had occurred over the previous decades. While there are certainly hostile countries, the larger battle is economic. China is currently winning this war. Even if we could destroy them militarily, another state equal to or worse than the current one would rise up in its place. Nor can we continue to cede our manufacturing and technology to them. Furthermore, they have bought and secured key mining interests around the world. IMO, we need to lead the world (and bring our European allies with us) in holding China accountable for their current practice of stealing technology, keeping prices low to drive out competition, and using workers as disposable items. To simply slap tariffs on products without detailed context of what they need to change doesn’t help our cause. However, a concerted and planned multinational effort could create the economic pain that would bring China around. It will take time as we cannot reverse the effects of the last 50 years overnight.

I guess this puts me into a third camp. Having the superior firing power but using diplomacy to achieve lasting changes. Instead of using the Glock, let’s use a taser to immobilize the fanatic no matter what his religious beliefs are.

Your understanding of the complexities of international relations is appreciated.

The simplicity thus far has been stunning, and reflects lack of understanding, but suppose some like to talk tough.

Thanks again.

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1752693)
Your understanding of the complexities of international relations is appreciated.

The simplicity thus far has been stunning, and reflects lack of understanding, but suppose some like to talk tough.

Thanks again.

I'm guessing many would be most interested, as in very, to hear you wax eloquent on this topic.

Here's your chance to make your case ...

bumpygreens 04-24-2020 01:25 PM

Maybe I haven't had enough experience in this world, but I've never encountered a good intent that came shrouded in complexity.

Bucco 04-24-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1752709)
I'm guessing many would be most interested, as in very, to hear you wax eloquent on this topic.

Here's your chance to make your case ...

I believe DTENNENT said it well in his.her post. No case to be made. The kind of action you are ranting on about has been happening for a lot of years by many countries. It is handled mostly without a show of manly words, as our Navy is well trained to do. A tweet as was given, sort of hogties our Naval leaders.

People know who has military power, and who doesn't...no need to brag in the playground about how strong you are. Our State Department has been watered down, but we still can handle this without braggadocio.

ronvillages 04-24-2020 01:57 PM

What about camp 0. That's the people who fit in camp 1 but became greedy and got rich with trading with China and sending our factories overseas and supporting conflicts around the world with no resolution. How many American lives were lost in Korea to Chinese bullets?

bumpygreens 04-24-2020 02:02 PM

Whoever called out for a delivery of non sequiturs, your order has arrived. :icon_wink:

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1752718)
I believe DTENNENT said it well in his.her post. No case to be made. The kind of action you are ranting on about has been happening for a lot of years by many countries. It is handled mostly without a show of manly words, as our Navy is well trained to do. A tweet as was given, sort of hogties our Naval leaders.

People know who has military power, and who doesn't...no need to brag in the playground about how strong you are. Our State Department has been watered down, but we still can handle this without braggadocio.

I agree that DTENNET said it well … I so posted in fact.

Ranting is a loaded term so I won’t take the bait.

Having deployed many times, my experience is the Navy operates best with strong leadership and support from the top -- something that’s been lacking in the past. You use the term “manly” words derisively, which inadvertently gives an insight into your thinking actually. The tweet, rather than hogtying, empowers local commanders to use their best judgement to defend their ships without worrying about CYA from DC deskbound commandos and legal beagles.

You use the term bragging, again not the optimal choice. The objective is deterrence which is the real point. I must respectfully disagree w/r/t to State. They made a hash on things in the Middle East and, while we’re at it, China. In addition, any genuine diplomat knows that, without the credible threat of force somewhere in the background, diplomacy is ineffective.

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rustyp 04-24-2020 02:19 PM

[QUOTE=B767drvr;1752111]Superior firepower camp! Why? Well...


Are you a Superior Flower Power Proponent, a Superior Firepower Proponent, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.

You are carrying a Glock cal. 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

What do you do?

I was smart enough not to be in that neighborhood to begin with.

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=rustyp;1752753]
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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1752111)
Superior firepower camp! Why? Well...


Are you a Superior Flower Power Proponent, a Superior Firepower Proponent, or a Redneck?

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I was smart enough not to be in that neighborhood to begin with.

That's definitely the preferable option, but sometimes the neighborhood comes to you, so to speak.

jimjamuser 04-24-2020 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ldecaterina (Post 1752288)
I would ask him to please social distance himself at least 6-feet from my family during these uncertain times when the new normal means we are all fighting an invisible enemy rather than one another.

Cute.

LiverpoolWalrus 04-24-2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1752645)
Thank you for your brief, prejudicial and grammatically incorrect opinion. Next time you might want to at least offer a modicum of evidence in support of your view.

Bumpy, I share your frustration with rampant grammatical atrocities all over social mania. My position, though, is that if we purists tried to correct everyone, we'd have no time to do anything else, so I just let it go.

<Um, you might want to take a closer look at your signature quote.> :):):)

amexsbow 04-24-2020 06:39 PM

Re: Peace Through Superior Firepower or Flower Power?

As an observer of history and a retired Law Enforcement Officer, I feel I must comment.

The last war we won decisively was WWII. Why did we win? We firebombed enemy cities and factories in and near large population areas and in so doing killed a large number of civilians as collateral damage. We dropped an atomic bomb and destroyed cities. After the war we humanely treated the conquered enemy. We fought to win and brought the battle to the enemy. That was the last war we fought to win the rest we fought to a truce, and look where we are now. Surrounded by enemies or people who think we are weak and will not take action against "incursions," or minor "harassment."

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1752895)
Re: Peace Through Superior Firepower or Flower Power?

As an observer of history and a retired Law Enforcement Officer, I feel I must comment.

The last war we won decisively was WWII. Why did we win? We firebombed enemy cities and factories in and near large population areas and in so doing killed a large number of civilians as collateral damage. We dropped an atomic bomb and destroyed cities. After the war we humanely treated the conquered enemy. We fought to win and brought the battle to the enemy. That was the last war we fought to win the rest we fought to a truce, and look where we are now. Surrounded by enemies or people who think we are weak and will not take action against "incursions," or minor "harassment."

Wow, sadly is that ever true. Fifty years of peace & prosperity has bred weakness, naivete and a spoiled people who can apparently no longer muster what it takes to win against our enemies.

Worse, a lot of our people are so soft(headed) they don't even realize we have enemies as witnessed by some postings on this board.

fromct 04-24-2020 07:31 PM

Something like this?
 
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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1752901)
Wow, sadly is that ever true. Fifty years of peace & prosperity has bred weakness, naivete and a spoiled people who can apparently no longer muster what it takes to win against our enemies.

Worse, a lot of our people are so soft(headed) they don't even realize we have enemies as witnessed by some postings on this board.


Hard times make strong men - Strong men make good times - Good times make weak men - Weak men make hard times

Twiganne 04-24-2020 07:51 PM

Lmao

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fromct (Post 1752907)
Hard times make strong men - Strong men make good times - Good times make weak men - Weak men make hard times

That's pretty much the cycle of history ... concisely stated.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-24-2020 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1752634)
You sound like a responsible supporter of the 2nd amendment. Concealed Weapons License holders know that, if you can avoid the fight, that's always the recommended course.

I am. I'm also personally anti-gun. Meaning - I refuse to own one, and I refuse to allow one in my house. But I'm also in favor of protecting the rights of other people to own them, as long as THEY are responsible and have respect for the fact that the #1 primary function and purpose of a gun, the reason they exist in the first place - is to kill people or animals. And - if you are carrying one, you'd better be prepared, trained, and mentally capable of using it.

I know that I am not capable of killing another human being. And so - I refuse to own a gun. Simple as that.

JimJohnson 04-25-2020 03:38 AM

I beleave you must add one more very important ingredient. Capability of your personal Gray Matter. If your slow to process complex thought, shoulder your gun. If you are a quick thinker, you would process the situation in an attempt to find a less violent method to defuse the situation.

l2ridehd 04-25-2020 06:16 AM

Speak softly and carry a big stick. Teddy Roosevelt.

Don't need to brag about your superior power, just make sure you have it. So as it pertains to the OP's example. It said you were an excellent shot. So if possible I would fire just at his feet. If he stopped OK. If not or I didn't have time for step one then take out his knee. If he keeps coming, use the redneck method.

In reality you don't know what you would do if placed in a kill or be killed situation. Most of us, even the most flower power of you, would fall back to basic survival instincts and protect your loved ones.

TexaninVA 04-25-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1752949)
I beleave you must add one more very important ingredient. Capability of your personal Gray Matter. If your slow to process complex thought, shoulder your gun. If you are a quick thinker, you would process the situation in an attempt to find a less violent method to defuse the situation.

I think you meant to say "holster your gun" vs shoulder it since it was in the context of CWP carrier.

If a situation can be defuzed and a fight avoided, that is always the recommended course.

Inexes@aol.com 04-25-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1752414)
Has the evening news ever showed security camera footage from an all night convenience store where the night clerk successfully counseled an armed robber who then peacefully went on his way a happier, more caring individual?

Hysterical...... makes me think of my sisters, 15 & 13 years younger than me...... this would be their take on the matter.......lol


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