Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2375486)

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2375272)

You obviously don't know how sports collectible and card shows work. Arnold Palmer or any athlete that gets booked for these events...in addition to appearance fees, charges for autographs. Perfectly acceptable.
Idk if you think they're charging as players on the fields or courses ...never heard of that nonsense. On their own time either. They may decline a request but not pull out a bill fold or coin dispenser to make change for a fan. Smh

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2375146)

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2375517)

See Post No. 39.

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2375520)

No. Baseball is based on honest statistics, and liars & cheaters have no place.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2375470)

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

Originally Posted by Margefrog (Post 2375548)

Dying is not an accomplishment and doesn't change what he did.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2375153)

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2375157)

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2375166)

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2375183)

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.

Originally Posted by bowtie (Post 2375560)

If there was no credible evidence that he bet against his team, as a player or manager, then he should have never been banned.

Originally Posted by badkarma318 (Post 2375201)

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2375578)

Doesn't work that way.
1. Betting was a known lifetime ban.
2. As a manager if I am betting to win tomorrow I don't use my best closer in the one run game today as I am saving him. Thus maybe I cost my team today's game. This is how only betting to win is not a valid excuse.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2375258)

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2375575)

Don't forget that the value of money (the dollar) has changed radically over all those years. You need to convert the older players salaries to today"s dollar value. What that will LIKELY reveal is that Mickey Mantle was probably paid as much as today's players. Note : I have NOT taken the time to make the actual calculation. I am not that interested. Someone else may be?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2375588)

Mantle's highest salary, his contract in 1963 was for 100,000. That is less than one million in today's dollars. So no, before free agency the salaries are not even close. I read a book as a child about the Yankees which had a story that Mickey wanted more than 100,000 but was told that 100,000 was the salary Babe Ruth got and nobody was worth more than the Babe. (Actually Babe got 80,000 in 1930 80,000 in 1930 dollars translates to 142000 in 1963 dollars and 1,400,000 today.

For 1.4 million today you can pay a benchwarmer, maybe.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2375514)

It is easy to like a person with an attitude like Joe DiMaggio's. But pro athletes don't achieve megastar success based on their personality. They achieve it through excellence in their chosen sport. Many "superstars" were and are pretty dislikeable as human beings.

You can respect the accomplishments without respecting the person.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2375588)

Mantle's highest salary, his contract in 1963 was for 100,000. That is less than one million in today's dollars. So no, before free agency the salaries are not even close. I read a book as a child about the Yankees which had a story that Mickey wanted more than 100,000 but was told that 100,000 was the salary Babe Ruth got and nobody was worth more than the Babe. (Actually Babe got 80,000 in 1930 80,000 in 1930 dollars translates to 142000 in 1963 dollars and 1,400,000 today.

For 1.4 million today you can pay a benchwarmer, maybe.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2375475)

I’m not defending his character....the only thing he’s been sanctioned for ...was as a manager, for gambling. If you want rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated to be the standard, then you have a lot of evictions to effect in Cooperstown. If ‘scumbaggery’ was the standard, the place would be nearly empty!

Originally Posted by badkarma318 (Post 2375716)

If you think him using corked bats is "rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated", then you need to do some research. There were bats that he used in games, then walked off the field and handed them to friends as gifts - these were x-rayed and proven to have been corked. Numerous clubhouse employees have stated that they had personal knowledge of him using corked bats, and on and on. Father Time was coming for him, and his massive ego couldn't accept that, so he did whatever he could to try and hang on for a few more years.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2375729)

I’ve seen the same searches as you and remember the era. I believe a good portion (liken to steroid era) were cheating. Pitchers with their ‘substances’ on their lids, HGH, steroids, pine tar and yes....corked bats. Yet the baseball writers still let select players of the aforementioned....in the Hall. So I guess it’s not so much about the player, it’s the process. It’s completely flawed

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2375738)

It makes you appreciate professional golfers. I would say that 99% do not cheat and call penalties on themselves.

A gentleman’s sport with a code of honor.

On the other hand, 90% of weekend golfers cheat. Mulligans, improve their lie, toss the ball out of the bunker or rough, etc., etc.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2375729)

I’ve seen the same searches as you and remember the era. I believe a good portion (liken to steroid era) were cheating. Pitchers with their ‘substances’ on their lids, HGH, steroids, pine tar and yes....corked bats. Yet the baseball writers still let select players of the aforementioned....in the Hall. So I guess it’s not so much about the player, it’s the process. It’s completely flawed