Just to add. The pomp and circumstance of traditional ceremonies of all kinds are of interest to many; the crowning of the queen, the canonization of a saint, the swearing in of a president. It is more interesting if it is your Queen, your church or your president. The tradition of doing this is joyful to many. I wouldn't go across the street to see any of it, I hate crowds but for many, it is history in the making.


We don't all have the same interests and persuasions and religion is more important to some than to others. We are all very different people. Whatever floats your boat.

Point well taken Gracie, especially the " The tradition of doing this is joyful to many". I certainly enjoy ceremonial events that are in line with my personal interests and hobbies. Nice post.

Yes, it was well worded, well aimed and extremely accurate in its sarcasm of the OP post. Criticisms of spending of the Vatican and aiming it at feeding the poor is a very very shallow and misinformed thought. The money given to the poor by the church is legend.....and pure in that there is no other motives than to feed.

The Catholic Church, and to be sure they are not alone, would dwarf whatever is being used as a yardstick to criticize it.

Well thank you for that wonderful Christian wisdom.

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And to your point...THERE IS A WORLD FOOD DAY.....it is celebrated in October of each year

NO WISDOM involved. Just well known FACTS

Your remarks are spot on! Honest sarcasm is sometimes well deserved and needed, like as it is in this case. But unfortunately, it can also be shamelessly dishonest and way overdone to promote one's own personal beliefs or agenda!

As for my opinion goes on the sainthood, 10 years after ones death is way too soon to fast-track sainthood for not only John Paul II, but for any considerations for sainthood! Here it almost seems to be done in order to make a first ever occurrence of a sitting pope canonizing two former popes, fast-tracking one of them and doing so while another living pope watches on!

First on your comment concerning the sarcasm...I agree with you totally....most times sarcasm to be successful must be overdone. This pointed out the fallacy of the ....well.....made good points with sarcasm, but yes overdone for sure but that is the point.

I, too, find the haste and rush to sainthood to be rather quick. My education on sainthood seems to say it has to take a longer time, but I am always reminded that the times are a changing.

None of these comments diminish the contributions of these men, but is certainly something a bit different

I think the whole concept of bestowing sainthood on mere mortals takes away from this:

15 He (Christ Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

16 For in him were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created through him and for him.

17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

18 He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent.

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Matthew 28
18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

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AND, one believer in Christ is no better and no more honorable than another:

26 For through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus.

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christz have clothed yourselves with Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise.

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All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

It's easy to forget that events cost big bucks, Gracie, thanks for providing information about such. Maybe when we are a part of any event, we focus on the enjoyment more than the money needed to make it happen.

This is a big deal for the Church and many who are Catholic. Maybe some of other faiths or beliefs or non-beliefs, don't truly understand.

After the earlier statement by Gracie about the enjoyment by so many, I get it and have no problem with the 11 million spend to give joy to the very people that donated the 11 million to the church. Sometimes, an explanation is needed for some of us to get it.

The Original Post was about the use of funds to pay for an " event ".
Whatever was spent was used to purchase all types of " goods and services " in support of this special event .
The " goods and services " would have been provided by businesses large and small all of whom in turn have employees who get paid and who also purchase goods and services from others .
Consequently such an event has a very positive impact on the local economy . So in effect this special event has fed many .

It`s not as if the money was simply dumped into Rome`s sewer system !