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Golfingnut 12-15-2012 03:46 PM
Florida CWL Instructor
NRA Certified Law Enforcement Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Certified Civilian Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Chief Range Safety Officer
NRA Certified Home Protection Instructor
Retired Army Military Police Investigator - 20 years, 4 months, 13 days
Retired Deputy Sheriff/Corrections Officer
IDPA Safety Officer Instructor
All skill is in vain when an Angel weewees in the flintlock of your musket.

I want people like the above to own and carry weapons, but if you do not have at least some of those type qualifications, I don't want you to own and carry a BB gun. AGAIN: Don't ban guns, but cut out the assault rifles and automatic pistols and all guns from the millions that are un-educated, un-qualified and un-fit mentally to own and carry them.

Bogie Shooter 12-15-2012 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 595083)
Florida CWL Instructor
NRA Certified Law Enforcement Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Certified Civilian Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Chief Range Safety Officer
NRA Certified Home Protection Instructor
Retired Army Military Police Investigator - 20 years, 4 months, 13 days
Retired Deputy Sheriff/Corrections Officer
IDPA Safety Officer Instructor
All skill is in vain when an Angel weewees in the flintlock of your musket.

I want people like the above to own and carry weapons, but if you do not have at least some of those type qualifications, I don't want you to own and carry a BB gun. AGAIN: Don't ban guns, but cut out the assault rifles and automatic pistols and all guns from the millions that are un-educated, un-qualified and un-fit mentally to own and carry them.
Now that make sense!

Golfingnut 12-15-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 595080)
I usually agree with most everything you say but to say there were no assault weapons is not true and would it also be ridiculous to say since TV's and radio's and computers weren't available our right to free speach isn't covered when using these forms of communicating?
Great point, but still just a play on words. The Gatling gun was designed in 1861, and even if it was available in 1776, it would have been difficult to carry it into an elementary school classroom. I truly believe that the framers of the constitution never intended for the average citizen to OUT ARM the police or military. If so, should we make nuclear bombs available to the average Joe on the street.

Cantwaittoarrive 12-15-2012 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 595083)
Florida CWL Instructor
NRA Certified Law Enforcement Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Certified Civilian Handgun/Shotgun Instructor
NRA Chief Range Safety Officer
NRA Certified Home Protection Instructor
Retired Army Military Police Investigator - 20 years, 4 months, 13 days
Retired Deputy Sheriff/Corrections Officer
IDPA Safety Officer Instructor
All skill is in vain when an Angel weewees in the flintlock of your musket.

I want people like the above to own and carry weapons, but if you do not have at least some of those type qualifications, I don't want you to own and carry a BB gun. AGAIN: Don't ban guns, but cut out the assault rifles and automatic pistols and all guns from the millions that are un-educated, un-qualified and un-fit mentally to own and carry them.
Sure and while we are at it lets not let people vote in less we think they have a certain level of qualified education and I think only people that have a certain level of qualification should have freedom of speech, lets not forget how many people in history have died or been killed for speaking what others feel are the wrong words. Actually lets give total control of every aspect of our lives to someone else that knows better and can protect us from harm. Does it not mean anything that the rights we have are rights that other people died earning for us? Lets fight to get the people that need mental health help, the help they need and not throw the baby out with the bath water

Golfingnut 12-15-2012 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 595091)
Sure and while we are at it lets not let people vote in less we think they have a certain level of qualified education and I think only people that have a certain level of qualification should have freedom of speech, lets not forget how many people in history have died or been killed for speaking what others feel are the wrong words. Actually lets give total control of every aspect of our lives to someone else that knows better and can protect us from harm. Does it not mean anything that the rights we have are rights that other people died earning for us? Lets fight to get the people that need mental health help, the help they need and not throw the baby out with the bath water
Again, great points, but Again, just a play on words. Speaking your mind or voting are both less likely to inflict a fatal wound as is a Glock pistol loaded with hollow points in a 33 round clip.

Golfingnut 12-15-2012 04:01 PM
I just realized, I should apologize for the plagiarism of FB. I did just cut and paste those stellar accomplishments. I salute your background FIGMO.

justjim 12-15-2012 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 595077)
Yes there were assualt weapons available when the constitution was written. They were the most advanced for the time. Same as there were no computers, airplanes, cars, phone, etc., we could go on forever, but it seems that the US Constitution covers all our rights pretty good.
I own a couple of guns myself---I use to hunt a bit----mostly with my father when he was alive. My grandfather use to talk about during the 30's hunting to put food on the table. When our Constitution was written a lot of hunting for food took place. Times change. Besides the obvious population difference, explain why the total deaths from guns would be U.S. 31,347 and UK 39??? I must admit that I am not the brightest bulb in the ceiling but my common sense tells me that we need to consider some common sense gun controls in America. The right to bear arms did not mean the right to weapons of mass destruction IMHO.

Cantwaittoarrive 12-15-2012 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 595093)
Again, great points, but Again, just a play on words. Speaking your mind or voting are both less likely to inflict a fatal wound as is a Glock pistol loaded with hollow points in a 33 round clip.
Makes no difference they are all important and equal rights earned through the blood of others. So I guess some rights are more important than others? How many people through history have been killed because someone spoke their mind? Ask people in other countries that face death and still stand in line to vote, if the act of voting is safe. Is a death only important if it comes in multiples or if thousands die because of an idea or spoken word that's not important because they weren't all killed at the same time by a few weapons. The people in my family that died in past wars didn't just die for a few rights afforded by our constitution, they died for all of the rights afforded by our constitution

l2ridehd 12-15-2012 04:28 PM
I don't want to add fuel to this debate, but why is this all about assault weapons? Everything I read about this tragedy the shooter had a Glock and a Sig which to the best of my knowledge are hand guns. No assault weapons were involved except those law enforcement had. Those hand guns have clips that hold between 9 and 17 rounds. And even the 17 round clip for a Glock is a special type clip not readily available. He also had a high powered rifle (I read this as deer type rifle) which he did not bring into the school. He may have had those extra round clips, I don't know or have not seen those details in anything I have read.

This is just an honest question about the direction this discussion has taken. Maybe I missed something in the reading and what has been reported.

This was a terrible tragedy and we should make sure we have the facts before we go off on tangents that are not relevant.

perrjojo 12-15-2012 04:28 PM
Gun control is a hot issue when these things happen and it is a part of the problem, but only a part. Yes, we need more funding and education in regard to mental health but again, that is only a part of the issue. We live in a culture that glamorizes violence through movies, TV, music and video games. We live in a cyber world where young people are losing social and coping skills. This is a multiple dimensional problem. Just mt opinion.

janmcn 12-15-2012 04:29 PM
I hope that all the posters on this forum who are in favor of everyone being able to have an assault weapon, just listened to the coroner's press conference on TV. It was so horrific that I wouldn't even attempt to summarize it.

A seasoned reporter, who had been an FBI profiler for many years, broke down in tears while he was trying to report.

downeaster 12-15-2012 04:29 PM
"As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (My emphasis).

It would appear the reason for our right to bear arms is to protect the state. Along with that right goes the responsibility to muster in a state militia unit when called upon.

Cantwaittoarrive 12-15-2012 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by downeaster (Post 595108)
"As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (My emphasis).

It would appear the reason for our right to bear arms is to protect the state. Along with that right goes the responsibility to muster in a state militia unit when called upon.
Amen

janmcn 12-15-2012 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 595105)
I don't want to add fuel to this debate, but why is this all about assault weapons? Everything I read about this tragedy the shooter had a Glock and a Sig which to the best of my knowledge are hand guns. No assault weapons were involved except those law enforcement had. Those hand guns have clips that hold between 9 and 17 rounds. And even the 17 round clip for a Glock is a special type clip not readily available. He also had a high powered rifle (I read this as deer type rifle) which he did not bring into the school. He may have had those extra round clips, I don't know or have not seen those details in anything I have read.

This is just an honest question about the direction this discussion has taken. Maybe I missed something in the reading and what has been reported.

This was a terrible tragedy and we should make sure we have the facts before we go off on tangents that are not relevant.
I know nothing about guns, but I believe the coroner that did the autopsy on some of these children, said they all died after being hit several times by semi-automatic weapons at close range.

graciegirl 12-15-2012 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 595105)
I don't want to add fuel to this debate, but why is this all about assault weapons? Everything I read about this tragedy the shooter had a Glock and a Sig which to the best of my knowledge are hand guns. No assault weapons were involved except those law enforcement had. Those hand guns have clips that hold between 9 and 17 rounds. And even the 17 round clip for a Glock is a special type clip not readily available. He also had a high powered rifle (I read this as deer type rifle) which he did not bring into the school. He may have had those extra round clips, I don't know or have not seen those details in anything I have read.

This is just an honest question about the direction this discussion has taken. Maybe I missed something in the reading and what has been reported.

This was a terrible tragedy and we should make sure we have the facts before we go off on tangents that are not relevant.
Thanks Chris. Always the voice of reason.

Everyone is upset and this whole discussion is an attempt to figure out something...anything to bring this old world back into some semblance of order.

There just aren't any easy or pat answers. None that I can see.


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