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Taltarzac725 04-23-2016 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1216669)
I'm not a Prince fan.
But I think it's a shame that when a celebrity passes, the Media jumps on the bandwagon to offer rumors and speculation.

Actually this was more Facebook stuff not the media per se.

We will have to wait and see what the results actually say caused Prince's untimely death.

NoMoSno 04-23-2016 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1216669)
the Media jumps on the bandwagon to offer rumors and speculation.

That's what the media is best at.:doh:

ColdNoMore 04-23-2016 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1216667)
I am completely surprised by this post. A person's ethnicity would never enter my mind in such a discussion.

Since I don't know you, I certainly didn't intend to imply that you would be one of them.

I was referencing mostly posts I've seen on Facebook and the internet, whereby a number of people have expressed joy at "another thug from the hood" dying from drugs.

janmcn 04-23-2016 07:10 PM

For all the Prince fans, SNL is doing a tribute show tonight featuring recent performances. Set your DVR's.

ColdNoMore 04-23-2016 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 1216673)
For all the Prince fans, SNL is doing a tribute show tonight featuring recent performances. Set your DVR's.

Thanks for the heads up! :ho:


goodtimesintv 04-23-2016 07:24 PM

I'm surprised that people are acting like Prince was the greatest and most important person who ever walked into their lives......when all they ever saw was a staged performance via television/internet, or heard his voice on radio/CD.

I'm surprised at how many here and across the nation are acting stunned that he was a drug addict and that he died from it. I always thought those characteristics were written all over him, via his odd, maybe bisexual behavior and cross dressing, and his reclusiveness so much like Michael Jackson.

And by the way, the lyrics to Little Red Corvette are porn filthy, which took me awhile to realize back in the 80s. That's okay for others if that's what they want.....people are free to like what they like. But I don't see the reason for the worship that's going on over him.

kstew43 04-23-2016 08:47 PM

If you read or heard the details of his death you would be aware of the facts...or so they are explaining.

Prince was not a drug addict.....he had a hip issue and was perscribed the pain meds for that issue.

That being said....the pain might of gotten extreme and he overdid the medications.....but .. he was not what I consider a drug addict.

graciegirl 04-23-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1216669)
I'm not a Prince fan.
But I think it's a shame that when a celebrity passes, the Media jumps on the bandwagon to offer rumors and speculation.



That is, unfortunately their job.


Percocet Addiction - Help with Percocet Abuse & Withdrawal

manaboutown 04-23-2016 09:36 PM

Some people play the race card at every chance they get whether or not it is warranted.

goodtimesintv 04-23-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1216654)
Just like alcoholism, drug abuse can happen to the best of people.

I'm guessing that those focusing on the drug part, would not be so quick to denigrate if it were a white country and western star who died from alcohol.

Speak for yourself.

Stereotyping masses of people you wouldn't recognize if they walked into your living room right now is just, plain ignorant.

Unlike the race baiters hellbent on dividing our society, most of us don't inject race into every single thought, word and deed. Sick of that crap!!

Fortunate1 04-23-2016 11:30 PM

It looks as if his death might be from an accidental OD due to pain killers for
recent hip surgery.
We are hearing more and more about this creative genius , and , while I'm
glad to know it , I wish his life wasn't cut short in that way ....

Oprah had a tribute to him tonight on the OWN Network --perhaps it will be repeated for any fans that didn't see it .

RIP Prince O(+>

Taltarzac725 04-24-2016 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fortunate1 (Post 1216728)
It looks as if his death might be from an accidental OD due to pain killers for
recent hip surgery.
We are hearing more and more about this creative genius , and , while I'm
glad to know it , I wish his life wasn't cut short in that way ....

Oprah had a tribute to him tonight on the OWN Network --perhaps it will be repeated for any fans that didn't see it .

RIP Prince O(+>

Thanks for posting that. I was listening to Amy Grant more than Prince when I lived in the Twin Cities from 1986 through late 1991. Prince was never really to my taste in music until I heard about all the music he wrote for other artists which is quite different from his usually very sexually provocative lyrics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Grant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_in_Motion

rubicon 04-24-2016 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 1216531)
Right, Rubicon.
And those who hold up moral standards are "haters."
I never thought twice about Prince.

Editing this to add: the moral standard regards our value on the life of a great musician as deserving purple lights in cities and the white house, While fallen military or police do not matter much.
It has naught to do with the musician himself.

kittygilchrist: As a people too many of us have become so accustom to immoral and destructive behavior we don't even recognize it any longer. Its like those warning bells that engage when a construction vehicle is backing but given day after day exposure the bell disappears and just becomes white noise.

the drug problem in this country has destroyed so many lives over the years and we have gotten so use to it too many of us think its normal or worse don't even notice.

so when someone like me says well what do you expect was going to happen giving your abuses.... its hater?

I was reared by a father with a John Wayne mentality if i complained that my teacher was not fair his reply would be then learn to get along with your teacher and fix the unfairness. I once stolen what I thought was a roll of live savers but were tums. I wasn't even a smart crook. The store owner knew my father and called him. My father took me to the store made me apologize and told the store owner to put me to work in the store and he would return later in the day to pick me up. I was a second grader then and that store owner worked me.

How many fathers would do something like this today?

And oh that construction truck I referenced my staff investigated such an accident. the vehicle was backing with a warning bell that could be heard for blocks away but a female construction worker apparently could not and was pulled under the large wheels of this truck head first. May God rest her soul

Personal Best Regards:

kittygilchrist 04-24-2016 07:24 AM

Love the story about stealing tums. I picked up a shiny penny at my neighbors and got whupped across the dirt road to give it back.
My mother was an overly compassionate loser as a spanker, and dad never did it, she wouldn't let him?
Enjoyed your post.

Taltarzac725 04-24-2016 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1216768)
kittygilchrist: As a people too many of us have become so accustom to immoral and destructive behavior we don't even recognize it any longer. Its like those warning bells that engage when a construction vehicle is backing but given day after day exposure the bell disappears and just becomes white noise.

the drug problem in this country has destroyed so many lives over the years and we have gotten so use to it too many of us think its normal or worse don't even notice.

so when someone like me says well what do you expect was going to happen giving your abuses.... its hater?

I was reared by a father with a John Wayne mentality if i complained that my teacher was not fair his reply would be then learn to get along with your teacher and fix the unfairness. I once stolen what I thought was a roll of live savers but were tums. I wasn't even a smart crook. The store owner knew my father and called him. My father took me to the store made me apologize and told the store owner to put me to work in the store and he would return later in the day to pick me up. I was a second grader then and that store owner worked me.

How many fathers would do something like this today?

And oh that construction truck I referenced my staff investigated such an accident. the vehicle was backing with a warning bell that could be heard for blocks away but a female construction worker apparently could not and was pulled under the large wheels of this truck head first. May God rest her soul

Personal Best Regards:

I believe I tried something like you did. Mine was some kind of candy --not Tums-- when I was also probably around the same age. The store owner also called my parents but that is about all I remember. Except he might have called the cops too. The was near Milwaukee, WI.

The cops were called when I took off at age three for the hills when they brought home by late brother Chuck. I was riding my tri-cycle and got a mile or more away.

I stole some lunch money off a girl's desk around 5th grade and remember the teacher told us she would turn off the lights and let the culprit return the money. I kind of thought she was going to turn the light on as soon as she heard something and it was not all that dark in the classroom. I went down to the store and bought a jar of chocolate syrup, drank it on the way home, and got pretty sick. Reno, Nevada at that time and the teacher might have been the wife of the News Anchor from one of the Reno TV stations named Bob Carroll. Bob Carroll | KUNR

Chuck died of long-term alcoholism on December 4, 2014. This seems to be a real problem too like drug abuse.

goodtimesintv 04-24-2016 01:08 PM

What a bunch of losers, idolizing and worshiping a reclusive, gender-conflicted drug addict by lighting up famous buildings around the world, and even the interior of a Delta Airlines passenger flight, in purple.

If it were for Elvis, I could see it. He worshiped God and served our country in the military.

But those attributes are not valued nor honored now. Instead, gullible people are flocking to more of Beyonce's video poison set out for young people to feed on in the constant diet of hatred for whites, cops, and civilized authority figures.

Purple Rain: Cities Across the Country Light Up in Memory of Prince | KTLA


:ohdear:

manaboutown 04-24-2016 06:24 PM

I just read "Doctor D" (don't you just love the pseudonym), Prince's former drug dealer, was selling Prince $40K of painkillers such as Dilaudid and fenatyl every six months. Prince had been using opiods over 25 years.

His death is turning out to likely not be an "accidental" overdose of prescribed medication.

gerryann 04-24-2016 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1217014)
His death is turning out to likely not be an "accidental" overdose of prescribed medication.

I disagree. I DO feel that he overdosed, but I think he accidentally (due to pain) took too many. We may never know for sure. The cost of the drugs that you mention is really not a big deal for him. You may not realize how extremely difficult it is to legitimately get these drugs WITH A SCRIPT. They are very hard to come by. I know a few folks that need Percocet or Vicodin or OxyContin. (For very legitimate reasons). Most of your regular pharmacies don't have them.

gerryann 04-24-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1216923)
What a bunch of losers, idolizing and worshiping a reclusive, gender-conflicted drug addict by lighting up famous buildings around the world, and even the interior of a Delta Airlines passenger flight, in purple.

If it were for Elvis, I could see it. He worshiped God and served our country in the military.

But those attributes are not valued nor honored now. Instead, gullible people are flocking to more of Beyonce's video poison set out for young people to feed on in the constant diet of hatred for whites, cops, and civilized authority figures.

Purple Rain: Cities Across the Country Light Up in Memory of Prince | KTLA


:ohdear:

I feel sorry for you that you can't understand another's feelings towards someone that they liked, who passed at an early age.
Prince was NOT a drug abuser......Elvis was.
Good grief, don't be so bitter.

ColdNoMore 04-24-2016 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217050)
I feel sorry for you that you can't understand another's feelings towards someone that they liked, who passed at an early age.
Prince was NOT a drug abuser......Elvis was.
Good grief, don't be so bitter.

Well said.

In addition, I admired and respected his creative genius, but certainly did not "idolize & worship" him.

graciegirl 04-24-2016 09:14 PM

Prince And Doctor D - Bing News




There is a list of publications talking about the long time drug habit. But of course that could be because it was aired by one wire and picked up by others.

Taltarzac725 04-24-2016 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1217057)
Well said.

In addition, I admired and respected his creative genius, but certainly did not "idolize & worship" him.

He did have a great deal of musical talent. Most of his music was not to my taste but neither was that of Elvis Presley.

Barefoot 04-24-2016 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217050)
I feel sorry for you that you can't understand another's feelings towards someone that they liked, who passed at an early age.
Prince was NOT a drug abuser......Elvis was.
Good grief, don't be so bitter.

:agree:

manaboutown 04-24-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217049)
I disagree. I DO feel that he overdosed, but I think he accidentally (due to pain) took too many. We may never know for sure. The cost of the drugs that you mention is really not a big deal for him. You may not realize how extremely difficult it is to legitimately get these drugs WITH A SCRIPT. They are very hard to come by. I know a few folks that need Percocet or Vicodin or OxyContin. (For very legitimate reasons). Most of your regular pharmacies don't have them.

Well, so far the jury is out on what killed him. However, if he was illegally buying unprescribed opiods to the tune of $40K every 6 mos. without question he was a full blown druggie!

gerryann 04-24-2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1217080)
Well, so far the jury is out on what killed him. However, if he was illegally buying unprescribed opiods to the tune of $40K every 6 mos. without question he was a full blown druggie!

I disagree with your assumption. We will just have to wait till the results come out.
Very often Dr's will see to it that you get what you need....don't forget what happened to Michael Jackson.

I believe most "druggies" are looking for a "high". I believe that Prince was only looking for pain relief.

manaboutown 04-24-2016 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217084)
I disagree with your assumption. We will just have to wait till the results come out.
Very often Dr's will see to it that you get what you need....don't forget what happened to Michael Jackson.

I believe most "druggies" are looking for a "high". I believe that Prince was only looking for pain relief.

Druggies will tell you anything to excuse their behavior. $40K/6 mos. to drug dealers for unprescribed drugs buys highs, not pain relief.

goodtimesintv 04-24-2016 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217050)
I feel sorry for you that you can't understand another's feelings towards someone that they liked, who passed at an early age.
Prince was NOT a drug abuser......Elvis was.
Good grief, don't be so bitter.

LOL......

How many famous people--including heads of state or a true leader-role model for the good of humanity, such as Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King or Malala Yousafzai--have been honored in life or in death with colored lighting of buildings around the world?????

The misplaced priorities here are appalling.

gerryann 04-24-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1217085)
Druggies will tell you anything to excuse their behavior. $40K/6 mos. to drug dealers for unprescribed drugs buys highs, not pain relief.

I disagree. $40K/6mon for Prince is nothing. You'll just have to wait to find out if you're correct.....

gerryann 04-24-2016 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1217088)
LOL......

How many famous people--including heads of state or a true leader-role model for the good of humanity, such as Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King or Malala Yousafzai--have been honored in life or in death with colored lighting of buildings around the world?????

The misplaced priorities here are appalling.

I certainly don't find it appealing. That's a bit dramatic.

It's something new to do this lighting of buildings,bridges,etc. I think you will see a lot more of it in the future.

What can I say......it's a strange world we live in..

goodtimesintv 04-24-2016 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217091)
I disagree. $40K/6mon for Prince is nothing. You'll just have to wait to find out if you're correct.....

enabler
noun en·abler \i-ˈnā-b(ə-)lər\

Medical Definition of ENABLER

: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by helping that individual avoid the consequences of such behavior

manaboutown 04-24-2016 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1217091)
I disagree. $40K/6mon for Prince is nothing. You'll just have to wait to find out if you're correct.....

It may have been nothing to him financially but it verifies he was a drug addict.

Taltarzac725 04-25-2016 07:06 AM

60 Minutes Segment on the Heroin Problem in the US.
 
Heroin in the Heartland - CBS News

There was a very interesting segment on 60 Minutes about addiction to heroin and drug courts.

We should, though, wait and see what actually killed Prince before passing judgement on him and calling him a drug addict.

I often really need my allergy medicine because of all the pollen here in the Villages which does not make me a drug addict.

graciegirl 04-25-2016 07:42 AM

People often find it difficult to accept criticism of people they admire and identify with. Or people who have been successful doing something that folks admire or have tried to do themselves or something they enjoy very much, or something that they see requires great talent and skill.

I am that way with the developers here. I hope I am not completely blind to their faults.

I have never heard them sing....................;)

Taltarzac725 04-25-2016 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1217173)
People often find it difficult to accept criticism of people they admire and identify with. Or people who have been successful doing something that folks admire or have tried to do themselves or something they enjoy very much, or something that they see requires great talent and skill.

I am that way with the developers here. I hope I am not completely blind to their faults.

I have never heard them sing....................;)

I would expect that some of the Villages' developments take various medications quite regularly especially for all the pollen in the Villages.

I cannot remember if Megan Boone sings as one of her characters in her various TV and movie roles? Her character Elizabeth Keen is still "dead" on The Blacklist but we will see what happens. My guess is that she is on Maternity Leave from the show and will pop up some time.

Maybe, she will sing to her baby at some point in a later episode.

graciegirl 04-25-2016 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1217177)
I would expect that some of the Villages' developments take various medications quite regularly especially for all the pollen in the Villages.

I cannot remember if Megan Boone sings as one of her characters in her various TV and movie roles? Her character Elizabeth Keen is still "dead" on The Blacklist but we will see what happens. My guess is that she is on Maternity Leave from the show and will pop up some time.

Maybe, she will sing to her baby at some point in a later episode.

I love you Tal, but you are not only quite bright, but quite literal as well. I was going for a light response to a very emotional topic.

Hugs to you, Tal.

Taltarzac725 04-25-2016 08:26 AM

Vanity 6, "Nasty Girl" (1982) - 15 Great Prince Songs That Were Hits for Other Artists | Rolling Stone

It looks like Prince wrote some of my favorite songs.

He is not one of the celebrities I tried to get involved in the 224 613 Project but there are a large number of people called celebrities whom I tried to get involved in some way. Prince never entered my mind as someone to contact. NFL Commissioners, news anchors, actors, writers, movie directors, other musicians, but not Prince. I regret not trying to get him involved. I write Viking Cheerleaders and not Prince, where is my head?

gerryann 04-25-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1217155)
Heroin in the Heartland - CBS News

There was a very interesting segment on 60 Minutes about addiction to heroin and drug courts.

We should, though, wait and see what actually killed Prince before passing judgement on him and calling him a drug addict.

I often really need my allergy medicine because of all the pollen here in the Villages which does not make me a drug addict.

I agree with your comments.

In relation to your allergies.....if you were in extreme pain, to what lengths and expense would you go to to control the pain?

Have you never had "one too many drinks"......have you never accidentally taken an overdose of a prescribed pill? Unfortunately, it happens all the time to a lot of people. Well, I think that given the amount of drugs that Prince needed (or felt he needed) to control his pain....he accidentally took one too many and didn't come out of it.

graciegirl 04-25-2016 10:42 AM

I would need a little "Dutch Courage" to get up and perform before multitudes of people. I think that this is the reason that Judy Garland died of addiction. It is not easy to be "on" all of the time, to lose your anonymity, to keep your act and physique fresh, and interesting and keep the public's eye. Many, many, many, many people who are dearly loved entertainers have run into the addiction demon. Robin Williams, another genius.

I believe that Michael Jackson abused children, but there are some of my friends who will argue forever that he was NOT a pedophile. When we love, or adulate, we lose our objectivity.

Taltarzac725 04-25-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1217282)
I would need a little "Dutch Courage" to get up and perform before multitudes of people. I think that this is the reason that Judy Garland died of addiction. It is not easy to be "on" all of the time, to lose your anonymity, to keep your act and physique fresh, and interesting and keep the public's eye. Many, many, many, many people who are dearly loved entertainers have run into the addiction demon. Robin Williams, another genius.

I believe that Michael Jackson abused children, but there are some of my friends who will argue forever that he was NOT a pedophile. When we love, or adulate, we lose our objectivity.

Michael Jackson seemed like someone who never grew up and also someone who did not appreciate consequences of actions. Not really sure if he did molest kids as he just might have been the target of some get rich quick con artists using their kids as leverage to get money in out-of-court settlements. That is just an opinion though.

OJ Simpson probably did get away with murder but the prosecution did not really meet their burden of proof.

mgjim 04-25-2016 11:08 AM

Frankly, I've been taken by surprise over the outpouring of grief over Prince's death. I was not a fan of his music and didn't know much about him despite the fact that I was born and raised in Minnesota and moved back there after my military career ended.

I suppose this public display is not unusual given the state of celebrity worship we are experiencing these days. But then, I'm reminded of the death and funeral of Rudolph Valentino in 1926. I guess everything old is new again.

Anyway, I'm sure Prince's family members and close friends are feeling genuine grief and, for them, I am sympathetic.


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