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Like you said, the other is gun control. Although I agree they should do everything in their power to try to keep guns out of unstable peoples hands I don't think it would solve the problem. If there was a way to magically remove every gun in the country people who want to kill would find a way. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in Oklahoma with fertilizer and fuel oil. In several of the shootings, the AR-15 was the weapon of choice. So, logic says, remove the AR-15 and it will stop/slow down. It's absolutely amazing how many people believe that the "AR" stands for assault rifle and that it is an automatic weapon. School shootings are the worst. It makes me sick to think of all the young people that died way before their time for no reason. I keep asking myself why. What would drive someone to do something like that? I keep coming back to media...social and mainstream. I think in someway they are glamorizing these shootings to these kids. They are making them out to be heroes of some sort. The kid in Florida receives fan mail for God's sake. |
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“Culture of Violence”, and if you only put your focus there, you will not address the real root cultural problems. When I was in high school in the city of Chicago (South side), I can remember going to the Sears store sporting goods department two blocks away, and looking at all the rifles and guns on display (they weren’t locked down). The NRA was around then and for many years before (NRA founded 1871), but there where no mass school shootings. Not even rampant gun violence on Chicago's southside! |
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I was simply pointing out the total hypocrisy of North, who I used to admire actually. My feelings on the WHY I expressed already but they are not well received at all, and ignored actually. But, my intent was not to blame the NRA. My feeling is that is much too easy, and we seem to look for easy anymore. Complex problems do not go away with a flip of a few words. |
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What Is The NRA? A History, And 9 Facts You Might Not Have Known : NPR |
Like it or not you can't take away the guns.
Like it or not you can't change the media, the technology, go backwards. You might put in high tech doors and armed guards but if you are putting 50 kids on a bus you have another soft target. Where will that end? All that's left is finding the potential terrorist who are not hardened criminals. M13 or terrorists from overseas. The wall won't help. They're on the inside. Investing in education and all the social services, breakfasts, art programs, music programs, shop classes that goes with it will. Kids need to be around support, they need to be in social groups, especially those from broken homes and those with parents working night and day to make ends meet. The poor, years ago had big families. Your sibs were there for you. I noticed that the people who were the most fun to be with in my life were from big families. Let's see how we spend our borrowed money that our kids will pay back. All opinions--not facts. |
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But like you I realize the problem is very complex! |
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As a an active member of the NRA, I know we don’t espouse gun violence in any way! |
How the NRA resurrected the Second Amendment - Vox
There is also this. I do not think that the NRA has the public welfare of the US in mind but more the $$ in the shareholders and/or private owners' pockets of various gun manufacturers' pants. |
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Whether this was a coordinated strategy or not, it struck many as a mild concession on the part of the NRA, which usually opposes new limitations. Indeed, it was denounced as such by the Gun Owners of America, a smaller guns-rights group that is often critical of what it calls the NRA's willingness to compromise and "sell out." But it soon became clear that the NRA was not in favor of addressing the bump stock through any actual change in the law. LaPierre and others said it was within the purview of the Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms to regulate bump stocks now. They said repeatedly that ATF should simply "do its job." ATF officials, however, directly contradicted that statement, pointing to the language of the relevant laws on the books. They said those laws needed to change for them to ban bump stocks." It is interesting that the author failed to mention that the discussion about bumpstocks and the ATF were looked at under the previous administration (link here) not once but twice, and nothing moved forward-even when there was a majority of the administration's party during the first term. You can determine why the author chose to not check all of the facts before he published and tried to place this at the feet of the current administration. And to head off the "flamer(s)" especially those who deliberately misquote, the article was a fact check on an NRA statement that the previous administration approved bumpstocks twice. From the article: "Did Obama administration approve bump stocks?" Obama administration’s role: "The statement implies Obama or (U.S. Attorney General Eric) Holder was somehow involved, and that it was an issue that wouldn’t have been approved in any other administration, and that’s technically incorrect," said Rick Vasquez, a former Firearms Technology Branch official who first signed off on the recommendation the ATF could not regulate the Slide Fire. "We never had any political people come down to our office saying we must or must not approve (the Slide Fire)," Vasquez said. "I believe (the NRA) were stating that just to point out that this wasn’t some rogue decision made during a Republican administration, which would be more friendly to gun owners, and therefore that when they re-evaluate it, they’re going to have to take a really close look at the law," said John Pierce, a lawyer and advocate for gun rights. In order to re-evaluate the bump stock, Vasquez said the ATF would have to change the way it interpreted the National Firearms Act or issue new legislation that would allow the device to be regulated. Our Ruling: We indeed found two occasions in which ATF, a bureau within the executive branch, decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration. These decisions allowed two companies to sell bump stocks. It’s important to note this was not a statement of Obama’s preferred policy, which called for more regulation of guns, but was what the agency determined it had to do under the language of current law." We rate this statement Mostly True. |
I find it amusing when some are posting about what is wrong with the NRA and whose interest they have or not and they are only about the money.
Those who ply or repeat such nonsense need to step back and understand that such loosey goosey general accusations fit any modern organization.....perfect examples by politicians first and foremost. Get the NRA off the BS bullseye and insist we identify the real issue/problem. The predictable knee jerk/gun/anti gun activists, who do/expect nothing in between shootings, will dry up and go away when the parrots start to address the real issue |
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"Within just hours of the school shooting that left 10 dead in Santa Fe, Texas, Friday, efforts were afoot to use social media to spread disinformation about the shooter and his actions. Many of those disinformation campaigns seemed focused primarily on politicizing the event, though what little is reliably known of the shooter presents an unclear picture of his political sentiments. Within an hour of the shooting, according to the Washington Post, fake Facebook profiles had been created of the shooter which depicted him as a Hillary Clinton supporter, and part of the loose anti-fascist activist coalition known as ‘Antifa.’" Trolls and Bots Move Fast to Politicize Texas School Shooting | Fortune "In the first hours after the Texas school shooting that left at least 10 dead Friday, online hoaxers moved quickly to spread a viral lie, creating fake Facebook accounts with the suspected shooter's name and a doctored photo showing him wearing a "Hillary 2016" hat." Fake Facebook accounts and online lies multiply in hours after Santa Fe school shooting - The Washington Post Dimitrios Pagourtzis: Russian Trolls Instantly Spread Fake News Online About Alleged Santa Fe School Shooter Now, things like this...here is what happens. A certain group will now go to the moderator and say this is political. It is not political in any way. It seems this thread is an example of what these people want in this country and we simply ignore it for some reason. You can put your heads in the sand, but our children should be allowed to know truth. |
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We all have our own optics and beliefs. My recent responses are merely counterpoint to the automatic repetitive rhetoric that does nothing but focus on the NRA. I think the thread should be allowed to play out as it is an issue of significance that unfortunately takes new shootings to revive the real sense of urgency...all obscured by the unfortunate political and media agendas. |
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