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Love2Swim 05-06-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainMan (Post 1759838)
What you heard is not correct. Regular surgical masks DO NOT PROTECT you or any other person from catching a virus. Viruses are 1000 times smaller than the smallest bacteria. The holes in a mask DO NOT stop a virus from going out from your mouth OR coming into you mouth or nose from someone else. The statement that a mask protects others from you but not you from others is ludicrous and defies all logic if you know anything about viruses. How can a mask stop a virus from going out of your mouth but not stop a virus from entering through the same mask???? C'mon folks use some common sense here. Either a mask stops viruses or it doesn't...and it doesn't. If you feel a mask works, then by all means wear one...but you can't have it both ways. If it works, than you are protected from getting a virus AND you are preventing others from getting it from you. We can't have the heard mentality that you are somewhat inhuman if we don't wear a mask...they don't work!

I believe the scientists and health professionals who recommend wearing a mask. According to the Mayo Clinic, highly respected in the medical community, a mask, protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer. To put it more simply, yes the virus is small, but it is encased in droplets or saliva, and the mask protects against those droplets should a person who is asymptomatic releases those droplets somehow. That said, one must be careful not to contaminate their mask.

SouthJerseyGirl 05-06-2020 11:14 AM

Not only are they not wearing masks, but they come too close and are breathing down your neck as you lean in to check the available meat cuts. I’ve had to yell ‘six feet!”at several people - and they look at me like I’m crazy.

Topspinmo 05-06-2020 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainMan (Post 1759838)
What you heard is not correct. Regular surgical masks DO NOT PROTECT you or any other person from catching a virus. Viruses are 1000 times smaller than the smallest bacteria. The holes in a mask DO NOT stop a virus from going out from your mouth OR coming into you mouth or nose from someone else. The statement that a mask protects others from you but not you from others is ludicrous and defies all logic if you know anything about viruses. How can a mask stop a virus from going out of your mouth but not stop a virus from entering through the same mask???? C'mon folks use some common sense here. Either a mask stops viruses or it doesn't...and it doesn't. If you feel a mask works, then by all means wear one...but you can't have it both ways. If it works, than you are protected from getting a virus AND you are preventing others from getting it from you. We can't have the heard mentality that you are somewhat inhuman if we don't wear a mask...they don't work!

So, what the point! I don’t give —— one way or the other. IMO it’s not going make different, just delays it. I like following rules most of times, they been babbling on News, and everywhere else to wear mask when you’re in close public places.

Another thing there no proof masks don’t work in normal circumstances no proof you catch it playing sport off ball being hit back and forth. The only rule or suggestion IMO that good advice, STAY clear of people you don’t know.

Two Bills 05-06-2020 12:01 PM

When a head of state walks around without a mask, why should the general population do any different?

chet2020 05-06-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1759862)
I believe the scientists and health professionals who recommend wearing a mask. According to the Mayo Clinic, highly respected in the medical community, a mask, protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer. To put it more simply, yes the virus is small, but it is encased in droplets or saliva, and the mask protects against those droplets should a person who is asymptomatic releases those droplets somehow. That said, one must be careful not to contaminate their mask.

Agreed. Quantitative evidence is showing something that makes sense when you think about it. Prolonged exposure to someone with the virus = larger initial virus dose = higher chance of getting infected. A 40 minute train ride sitting next to someone infected is worse than passing someone in the aisle of a grocery store.

Yes, a single aerosoled virus will pass through a mask. But that's a low dose. A droplet of saliva loaded with virus from an infected person who sneezes is a high dose. That will be captured by the mask. Your chances of catching the virus if you wear a mask are lower, but not non-existent. Simple.

This links to a post by Muge Cevik MD, summarizing a scientific paper on the subject.

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vmcoll326 05-06-2020 12:31 PM

That’s your opinion.
I say mind you business at what other people are doing.

kathy1516 05-06-2020 12:37 PM

The cloth masks are laughable. They pretty much do nothing. The real medical masks aren’t used properly and most have no idea how to remove them. They put them in their pocket to use again! This logic is more dangerous than not using them at all. The cloth masks need to be removed and placed in a plastic bag to be washed immediately after each use! Paper masks after careful removal should be thrown away not use them over and over again! You are more likely to spread the virus to yourself, your family, and others by not doing this. I’m speaking as a retired nurse.

Ben Franklin 05-06-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1759459)
I had to go to store today (hadn’t been for couple weeks) and was shocked seeing people shopping in the store with no masks on? IMO inside building where lots of people are in prefect environment to catch the virus. Especially when they are polluting the air I’m walking through.

What I heard wearing mask protects other’s and not you (IMO mask does offer some protection) why Publix allowed people in store without masks. I can’t go into Walmart without mask?

Those who don't wear masks these days, could care less if they infect you. They are self-absorbed. They don't know the difference between constructive and destructive freedom. I have to wonder if those people also rail against assisted suicide?

aallbrand 05-06-2020 02:43 PM

No one in the medical field would say that

Lots of stupid , selfish and uneducated people live in Florida even in the Villages . Shame on Publix they are making record profits and should be requiring any one in the store to where a Mask. When you ask any numskull why they aren't wearing a mask they will tell you they aren't worried about catching the Virus. They are to selfish and stupid to realize its not only about there protection but protection of others.

golfing eagles 05-06-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by marygalexa (Post 1759761)
Yep there are ... and more that a few of them have been cremated or buried.

Love to see the statistics on that and the source from which you based that statement. Oh---there isn't any???? No surprise, since you just spouted out whatever came into your head without any specific knowledge of virology or epidemiology or any reference.
That being said, you could very well be right

Boomer 05-06-2020 04:31 PM

A couple of days ago, a security guard at a Family Dollar Store was shot and killed after getting into it with a woman refusing to wear a mask, as was required.

In Oklahoma employees of stores and restaurants were threatened with violence, including shooting, over masks.

(In case you missed these sick stories, they can be found on national news sites.)

Topspinmo 05-06-2020 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1760043)
A couple of days ago, a security guard at a Family Dollar Store was shot and killed after getting into it with a woman refusing to wear a mask, as was required.

In Oklahoma employees of stores and restaurants were threatened with violence, including shooting, over masks.

(In case you missed these sick stories, they can be found on national news sites.)


The longer it goes , the worse it going to get. IMO we haven’t seen tip of the iceberg yet.

PugMom 05-06-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1759729)
That just begs the obvious question. How does the Surgeon General know that?

how does anyone know anything? gov't models

Allpros11 05-06-2020 07:30 PM

Look you can banter all you want , as of now there are 74,000 people dead. It’s not a game or a subject for debate. We have been very lucky here, but that luck may run out, and when you or someone you know is laying in a hospital bed trying to breathe,with a hose stuck down your throat, you’ll think differently. I have never written a response to any of the nonsense discussed on these sites, so I really don’t care to hear from anyone and I will not reply or post again. Figure it out for yourself but I don’t want some selfish idiot to stop me from seeing my grandchildren for the last period of my live. Please be safe

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-06-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1760045)
The longer it goes , the worse it going to get. IMO we haven’t seen tip of the iceberg yet.

It makes me very grateful that Publix does NOT "require" everyone entering the store to wear masks. It only requires the employees to wear them. In a community where we have people "proud" to proclaim that they not only have a gun, but aren't afraid to use it and their rights are protected and damn the fear of anyone who doesn't like it - I'm VERY grateful that my employer isn't asking any of us to enforce mask-wearing in our stores by our customers.

bpascani 05-06-2020 08:50 PM

This behavior, which has not just been your post, but others as well, are why I will continue to stay home/away, and wait to see what happens. Some are younger, healthier (and maybe stupid too). I am among the group that has been advised to stay away for now, and I will.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-06-2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bpascani (Post 1760123)
This behavior, which has not just been your post, but others as well, are why I will continue to stay home/away, and wait to see what happens. Some are younger, healthier (and maybe stupid too). I am among the group that has been advised to stay away for now, and I will.

Whose post? Who are you responding to? You didn't quote the post you're responding to, or mention their name. So your response has no context at all.

Bay Kid 05-07-2020 07:10 AM

At least flu deaths recorded are the lowest ever?

ficoguy 05-07-2020 07:15 AM

You have to wear a mask. Doesn't say where....around your arm, as a headband, whatever

Topspinmo 05-07-2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1760121)
It makes me very grateful that Publix does NOT "require" everyone entering the store to wear masks. It only requires the employees to wear them. In a community where we have people "proud" to proclaim that they not only have a gun, but aren't afraid to use it and their rights are protected and damn the fear of anyone who doesn't like it - I'm VERY grateful that my employer isn't asking any of us to enforce mask-wearing in our stores by our customers.

Well, IMO has nothing do with gun rights.


So, you come in contact with several or lots of people You don’t know, where they’ve been, if they are carrier, or not in side enclosed building? Just take one person to sneeze to pollute large area IMO. I would think you’re employer would want to require people coming in to wear masks to offer some protection from people? Why did they put all the barriers at checking out?

Why are elected politicians close business and spouting wear masks when out in public? Why did they even shut down then. Why can’t I wake into any medical facilities without mask if the no danger?

I think there is danger inside in enclosed environment, not so much outside if you keep away from people you don’t know. But, that’s me.

Topspinmo 05-07-2020 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1760275)
At least flu deaths recorded are the lowest ever?


Maybe they are counting them as covid19 deaths? Maybe they are counting all deaths of covid19? I sure they are testing ever person that died not in hospital??? If dead can get check, vote, why not test that majority of us can’t get? When has federal government and states ran by politicians been exactly right on anything?

theruizs 05-07-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1759689)
US Surgeon General Jerome Adams said Monday, March 2 that wearing face masks could actually increase a person's risk of contracting COVID-19, echoing remarks he made on Saturday that called for people to "stop buying masks."

This is the most misinformed SG we have ever had. Actual evidence, and even the CDC disagree. But most, ideally all, people need to wear them and it would contain it better than lockdowns and closures that are trashing our economy and causing more actual harm than the pandemic.


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