Except, we were initially told (by Fauci) that herd immunity sets in at a 70% vaccination of the population...

What "long-haul" problems are children "likely" to get?

Well.....turns out Fauci has lied to the public and Congress...looking like he is a huge goner....will be fired and most likely stand trial. So with all the out right lies I no longer can trust what is coming out of the NIH along with CDC and FDA.....look really hard at this...I hope and pray those that took the vaccine will Not see further harm in the future...really sad that Fauci turned out to be a criminal.

Yes, there were hundreds (now thousands) killed by the vaccines. From the Newsweek article linked below:

Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot.

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?

The linked article actually disputes, rather than supports, your conclusion that these deaths were from the vaccines. Quotes from the Newsweek article include:
"There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause."
and
"However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset."

But ... administering mRNA shots (not a vaccine) to humans is BRAND NEW. This is the first time. And, based on a very small pool of test subjects and very short time-frame of testing, this was given to hundreds of millions of people. My wife and I chose not to participate in this experiment.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've had all the major vaccines growing up as have my kids. But mRNA is new and the results are not in yet.

From the article linked below:

The world’s first mRNA vaccine has begun its rollout after being produced at unprecedented speed as part of the global effort to end the Covid-19 pandemic. A second one is hot on its heels. The two – one made by Pfizer/BioNTech and the other by Moderna – mark the first time this vaccine technology has been approved for use.

Five things you need to know about: mRNA vaccine safety | Horizon: the EU Research & Innovation magazine | European Commission

If you are not an anti-vaxxer but just afraid of the mRNA vaccines, this site will help you find the Janssen vaccine in our local area. There seem to be several Publix stores with availability today.

The current stats say 30% of covid cases are long haulers which means you will be traveling around with oxygen. Sounds like a great plan.

Did you even bother to read the article you linked?

It stated people died after getting the vaccine. Not FROM getting the vaccine...

Please cite a link to those numbers...

Incorrect...

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Your likelihood of catching the virus and developing a symptomatic infection depends greatly on your age, exposure, health status, COVID incidence rate and variants in your community, and some other risks factors. It’s an evolving situation.

…but we still do not know the long-term effects from getting Covid. That is the scary part. And, if you can avoid getting Covid, wouldn’t you want to?

Actually that post was correct regarding long term effects of mRNA vaccines. Here is a quote from University of Pennsylvania medicine:

“The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.”

You can read it in it’s entirety:
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/...ew%20final.pdf

…but we also don’t know the long-term effects from mRNA vaccines. That is the scary part. And if you can avoid getting the vaccine (because you’re not in the at risk group) wouldn’t you want to?

Works both ways, doesn’t it…

These are not experimental vaccines
 

There is no “gene” in the vaccine, it is mRNA in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. There are other vaccines that that use viral vectors.
These vaccines are NOT experimental. Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained | FDA
If you want to avoid protecting yourself, and others, please take the time to read technical and scientific sources of information, not inaccurate opinions before making that decision.

Does anyone really care any more? Really? Looks like everyone is taking turns flogging a dead horse.

Does anyone really care anymore? Really? Looks like everyone is taking turns flogging a dead horse.

You are naïve!

The hospitals do get more money if Covid is listed as the cause of death. People that choose to remain paranoid or naïve are part of the problem!

Oh, dear, we certainly don't want to make you mad!

But, once again, you're mistaken...

Hospitals most certainly do get paid more with a Dx of Covid than they do with a Dx of Pneumonia...

I'm not blaming the docs for that. It's the administrators and the billing departments...

And you'll tell people your mother died of whatever they told you she died of...

just an FYI: JASPER BECKER: No wonder so many experts say Covid DID leak from Wuhan research centre | Daily Mail Online

Why is Fauci taking so much heat? My guess is as long as they can keep someone else on the Covid hot seat, it distracts from who is ultimately responsible for 612,000 needless American deaths and 34 million infections.

Yes, the Lab in Wuhan, China...

Rather than guess, let’s look at actual facts as to why the US Covid deaths are as high as they are:

One, the US decided to code anyone who died, that tested positive for Covid, or was suspected to have died with Covid, as a Covid death.

Two, according to the CDC, obese people are 3X more likely to be hospitalized with Covid, and the US has the highest percentage of obese people of any major country.

Three, the US had a higher percentage of nursing home patients die with Covid than any other country in the world. While other countries did their best to protect their most vulnerable people, some states in the US insisted that those with Covid be placed in nursing homes.

Plenty of blame to go around…

Wut??? Only physicians can make a medical diagnosis. Hospitals, and certainly billing staff, aren't listing a dx unless the doc says it's so in the medical record.

In statistics that would be an N of 1. Meaning it is COMPLETELY meaningless (and if you really are a Doctor or maybe your patients are dogs and cats) then you would KNOW statistics - and would NOT have wasted your time by typing and GLORIFYING one person that refused a vaccination. NOW........that is a REAL insult! And I have the imagination to come up with many more!

Sorry sick is the UNPATRIOTIC selling of the idea of people avoiding their CV shot - that the world is begging for - and 99% of MEDICAL SCIENTISTS are in favor of. SICK is selling an idea that V. Putin loves as it will make America weak. SICK is twisting my post, which was about unvaccinated adults AND children - then pretending that it was ONLY about children because that suits your twisted sister slant on weakening America and linking up with a Dictatorship.

note..... there is a new virus variant called Delta that is STRONG in India and IS already in Britain. Britain is going to go back toward quarantines And SICK is going to be the US if Delta hits here and people like yourself RESIST pushing for MORE vaccinations, NOT less - and more MASKING, and social DISTANCE. I FEEL healthy unvaccinated people in the US are unpatriotic, unAmerican, and I DISLIKE them intensely.

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There are probably some people who rightly don't get get a vaccine, say for example cancer patients or people with lowered immune systems. But I do agree that people who are candidates for the vaccine and selfishly refuse to get vaccinated, are making our country less safe, and are endangering others who might happen to be high risk. And I am really angered by them. You have the right to do what you want to your own body, but you don't have the right to endanger others.

Do you not keep up with the latest news??. Are you not aware of the emails documenting his approving funds that ended up in Wuhan? Are you not aware that Fauci himself a YEAR ago, said to an international group that a lab leak was probable and then denied he ever said it but we have witnesses to it including the FDA Head under Obama? Are you not aware that the latest genetic sequencing of the virus has found a marker that could only have come from human manipulation as the odds of it occurring in nature are 1 in over a trillion?? And that Fauci publicly called any suggestion of this being not natural a conspiracy theory?? Wake up. Fauci is a liar and deceiver.

Despite his self promoting, Fauci had NOTHING to do with the vaccine development. That was PRIVATE industry one given a free hand by our President.

All the more reason to protect America and GET vaccinated!

There is now MEDICAL EVIDENCE that asymptomatic CV-infected children have holes in their lungs and enlarged heart. And if you REALLY were a medical professional, then you would KNOW this! Those could stay with the children for the rest of their lives. And the people that preach the anti-vaxx nonsense have ALREADY infected and possibly killed adults and children by convincing other people to NOT get their CV shots. Infection and death are irreversible. So think about what side you (everyone) are on. There are 2 sides - 1) for humans and society or 2) for propaganda and conspiracy theories. You decide!

Dr. Fauci ACTUALLY said that there are 2 theories as to the origins of the CV. One is natural - jumping from animals to humans and the other is that it was a lab leak. Right now he is leaning towards the former, but more evidence may come out. The NIH DID send funds to China as part of WHO funds. At the time it was for LEGITIMATE research! The idea was to "soup up" the virus in order to make a better vaccine. Today about 50% of Scientists think that it WAS a BAD idea. But, that is hindsight. DR. Fauci did NOT control the WHO. he is merely ONE very respected Scientist that has been moved to the wrong side of recent History by propaganda theorists. Because Dr. Fauci would NOT kiss the ring!

Isn’t it wonderful that the precautions that were taken truly worked to keep the numbers down. With the way things started with people stacked in the streets to the lower numbers today everything is working that was put in place for us. Also as another benefit is the flu numbers were extremely low this year.

As a cancer patient and stem cell transplant patient I had the vaccine in February. Because of my weakened immune system he wanted all his patients to get it as if we got Covid we could be in real trouble. Did not really matter what I thought about it, doctor said go and I went, no questions asked.

Bingo! This is the scientific approach to evaluating the data. Notice how subsequent posts ignore this logic.

No, I don't, but I'm sure you'll give me some opinion, and present it as fact.

I find it funny that people have an aversion to this vaccine, when they take FDA approved drugs, that kill thousands every year. Vioxx, alone, killed over 60,000 people. Over 8,000 approved drugs have been taken off the market. 328,000 patients in the U.S. and Europe die from prescription drugs each year. And let's not forget Opioids.

In my case, it’s because nobody - nobody - nobody, knows what the long term effects of mRNA vaccines are. There have been NO trials where the long term effects have been studied.

There is factual proof to everything I've said in this post...

But sure, YOU just don't believe it...

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