Originally Posted by joerocker (Post 842653)

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You cite North Korea as an example of what is wrong in the world. When was your trip? After all, to cite it as an example, you must have personal experience. Or, as I imagine, it's more just listening to propaganda that others have told you? Ive seen pictures of NK, it's VERY clean. The people looked like they were having a good time, smiling, laughing. They seemed well fed. Contrary to what we are told about the place. One picture was a nighttime satellite shot showing how dark NK is at night. If you ask me, they're happier at home sleeping than the shift workers here up all night toiling away. Things are seldom what you're told they are. Lies are everywhere.....

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 842903)

May as well give it up. If someone wants to avoid the wonders of life and escape into a drug induced state they will do it regardless of what anyone says. If someone does not care the impact of the drug availability on the children and want to live for today regardless as to how it may hurt children they will still do it regardless of the harm to family and children. If someone has no respect for the harm that will come to families from a drug induced state they will do it regardless of what impact it has on society/family. When we say drugs it includes Pot, Coke, Heroin, Booze, etc.etc. All are just a way of altering reality in the mind and avoiding the joys of life. They must decide for themselves and nothing anyone can say will convince them of the harm to themselves and all around them. It is a terrible way to live but it remains their choice.:jester:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 842930)

what we need is a little more tolerance of others opinions, positions, needs, wants, beliefs, etc. Without the continual debating when said positions are different than another may believe.

The only person who knows what they "need" is that person...right, wrong or indifferent. For someone else to try to dispel what another may "need" is not respecting the others position....like it or not.

To me that is why so many of these discussions turn into what i call the merry go round!!

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 842930)

what we need is a little more tolerance of others opinions, positions, needs, wants, beliefs, etc. without the continual debating when said positions are different than another may believe.

The only person who knows what they "need" is that person...right, wrong or indifferent. For someone else to try to dispel what another may "need" is not respecting the others position....like it or not.

To me that is why so many of these discussions turn into what I call the merry go round!!

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 843004)

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Originally Posted by joerocker (Post 842494)

Why is it "amazing" that someone might think religion worse than a plant? Do you have any idea how many deaths are attributed to religion over the span of human history? How many deaths are DIRECTLY related to this plant we're discussing?

I lead my life how "I" think it should be lived. Not how someone else tells me I should live it. How do you live yours? As directed by others? Always doing as others tell you to do? Is that freedom? Not in my book.

Who IS to judge? One could judge we're both good people. Another could judge you are superior, another, that I am. Under Islam, we're both heathens not deserving anything. No favor from God. My problem with religion is, it judges. Many of our archaic laws are religious based.

Why would you think we all need some kind of religion? That's what I find amazing, that some people think we all need a religion.

To answer your question, differently. ALL people addicted to heroin did NOT "start" with pot. I'm sure not one did. IMO. they ALL started with caffeine, nicotine, or alcohol. Marijuana is "first" (not a gateway) of the illegal drugs because of its popularity and ease of access. Marijuana is no more responsible for a heroin addicts addiction than an ice cream cone or a doughnut causes a person to become addicted to sugar and morbidly obese. Use/eat responsibly! You don't fix idiots behavior by passing laws denying reasonable people of something they desire.

Marijuana prohibition is the same as alcohol prohibition. A fruitless enterprise that is unwinnable, ruins lives, and supports a huge underground network/economy run by ruthless profiteers. Just as with alcohol, people get what they want.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 843004)

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 842930)

what we need is a little more tolerance of others opinions, positions, needs, wants, beliefs, etc. without the continual debating when said positions are different than another may believe.

The only person who knows what they "need" is that person...right, wrong or indifferent. For someone else to try to dispel what another may "need" is not respecting the others position....like it or not.

To me that is why so many of these discussions turn into what I call the merry go round!!

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 843000)

Who wrote this post?

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 843004)

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 843025)

Seems to me that the many of the same people who want zero controls on guns want maximum control on marijuana.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 843000)

Who wrote this post?

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 843042)

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