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Was under the impression that this was about RECREATIONAL use, not medical !!!

I don't know how making it legal keeps it out of children's hands. The initial thought on the third graders that we caught smoking in the school bathroom is these kids got it from home. If the fact that it is against the law doesn't keep it out of kid's hands how will making it legal accomplish that?

You forgot something:

Legalizing would enable some folks that stay away now because of the law to go ahead and light up and potentially go down a slippery slope.
My personal opinion. Please no sarcastic questions.

Legalizing marijuana would take a JOINT effort!

Legalizing it would put a major crunch on street sales thereby making it more difficult for unauthorized buyers from finding a source. Denver is experiencing a decline in street sales already and a reduction of underage users.

You are posting in the wrong thread again, fyi.

Good point and I agree it is very likely to happen, but in smaller numbers than the numbers from the beneficial aspect of legalization.

Legalize it and tell me where to buy it. Please don't tell the FBI or CIA. I am paranoid enough!!!!

Oh please

Medical yes, if necessary. Recreational, NO.

I fully realize there is a slippery slope on this issue. :smiley:

Originally Posted by Villages PL View Post

Has anyone thought about the possibility of unintended consequences? Do you want to live in a "Dumb And Dumber" dumbed down society? Don't we have enough of that already?

If marijuana becomes legal for recreational use, there will be many more young people using it than otherwise would have. Once it is officially sanctioned and approved, it will seem totally harmless to new generations of young people.

Has anyone figured out what the costs of that might be?


RP .... In spite of your eyes rolling at VillagesPL very uncool and un-hip comments, he is in fact spot on IMHO. In addition, the impact on younger kids (ie many more using it over time ) is completely predicable.

I wonder how much of this balderdash about legalizing isn't an attempt to appear as hip or cool - look at me I'm living on the edge. I've lived through the potential devastating effects of marijuana and just can't wrap my arms around the idea of making it legal. We are already suffering in this country from people that are not motivated to work, what on earth will happen if there are more on that roll cause they're smoked up and just can't do it!

At the risk of repeating myself "even Governor Jerry Moonbeam Brown from California has admitted legalization could create a very unproductive society".

Too much pot already?


THAT PLACE Happens to be WBKO TV Station not radio, but it is a good example of the problem with pot smoking.

Here's another copy of the story from a different source you might like better:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24...stoned-driving

Excerpt from the story:

Washington, the only other state that has legalized recreational pot, saw more than 1,300 drivers test positive for marijuana last year - that's almost 25 percent more than in 2012.

Of those, 720 had levels high enough to lead to an automatic drugged driving conviction, though Washington officials say there's been no corresponding jump in car accidents.

Colorado's $1 million ad campaign, which begins March 10, comes from a federal grant from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.

A Spanish-language ad campaign is launching next week, too. Those ads show a man blowing smoke and the message, "When you use marijuana, don't drive."

Dispensary owners helped develop the Colorado ads and plan to voluntarily hand out brochures and hang "Drive High, Get a DUI" posters.

"We recognize our duty to be a part of the DUID conversation," said Elan Nelson, a dispensary worker who is vice chairwoman of the state's Medical Marijuana Industry Group.

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Associated Press Writer Gene Johnson in Seattle contributed to this report.

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Kristen Wyatt can be reached at http://www.twitter.com/APkristenwyatt

Like cigarettes, that really worked out well......

This story proves that kids will have pot more than ever before.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...e-legalization

GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said.

The same phenomenon is being reported around Colorado after the 2010 regulation of medical marijuana dispensaries and the 2012 vote to legalize recreational marijuana.

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There are no hard numbers yet because school disciplinary statistics do not isolate marijuana from general drug violations. But school resource officers, counselors, nurses, staff and officials with Colorado school safety and disciplinary programs are anecdotally reporting an increase in marijuana-related incidents in middle and high schools.

"We have seen a sharp rise in drug-related disciplinary actions which, anecdotally, from credible sources, is being attributed to the changing social norms surrounding marijuana," said Janelle Krueger. Krueger is the program manager for Expelled and At-Risk Student Services for the Colorado Department of Education

Krueger said school officials believe the jump is linked to the message that legalization (even though it is still prohibited for anyone under 21) is sending to kids: that marijuana is a medicine and a safe and accepted recreational activity. It is also believed to be more available.

Marijuana that parents or other adults might have kept hidden in the past may now be left in the open, where it is easier for kids to dip into it to sell, use or, in some cases, simply to show off, said school officials and law enforcement.

"They just want to be cool," said Dillon of some of the younger students he has seen with pot at school.

Krueger, who has been an adviser to resource officers across Colorado for 17 years, said she has heard many stories from officers about kids bringing pot to schools.

One that an officer related at a meeting recently involved a student dropping a small baggie of marijuana from his pocket as he was walking down a school hallway. The school principal was walking past the student at the time and picked up the pot. He asked the student if it belonged to him. The student immediately admitted it was his and reached out to take it back from the principal.

What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.

Jeff Grady, a Grand Junction school resource officer who has spent 25 years working in schools, tells a story about sitting in his car at a park near Grand Junction High School one day watching groups of kids through binoculars because they come to the park to smoke on lunch breaks.

"Kids are smoking before school and during lunch breaks. They come into school reeking of pot," he said. "They are being much more brazen."

He said school officials call him and he talks to the kids, but it is a little more difficult now to cite them if they aren't caught in the act. They can say that they were around an adult medical marijuana user and weren't smoking themselves, Grady said.

http://speaknowcolorado.org/fact-zon...juana-alcohol/

And what problem is that and why does it matter?

Oh go ahead and legalize it! I can see the "dumbing down" has already started!

Sorry, but you source is a fox affiliate. Please pic a legitimate one.

This very thread has the legalization of MEDICAL MARIJUANA ahead in the polls 2 to 1. Twice as many of your fellow villagers are in favor. It is not a case of right/wrong or uncaring/compassion. There is and will always be a faction around that feels they are better equipped to dictate laws to the majority; however, as long as we are a democratic society, we all must respect our way and honor the final decision. Overall, America and all her laws is the best thing going. Let's enjoy her together.

Lou

Some people you may know have used the devils weed.

2013 Top 50 Most Influential Marijuana Users

OH, you this this is a new fad?

You should then be shocked by this.

13 Historical People Who Smoked Weed | Marijuana Use Through History (Page 6)

Are you aware you contradict yourself in the other thread saying it's the old people that don't want to legalize it? Maybe it's time to put down that joint.

Here's the way I see it ... if we legalize recreational marijuana, we can safely predict that the use of dope in the population will expand. In addition, more young kids will become users than otherwise would have for several reasons including easier access etc

Thus, as Villagers, if one votes for legalizing recreational pot, one is also saying "sure, it's ok with me if my grandkids smoke pot ... no problem"

That's why I voted against it.

I agree with this assessment. I wrote a lengthy paper while at the University of Minnesota Law School on the laws of the Prohibition in Minnesota and it seemed like the lawyers and criminals were the ones getting rich off of banning liquor and the law did not seemed to be doing a whole lot of good on controlling liquor and its consumption. It seemed to make drinking more attractive especially to rebellious teens and twenty somethings.

Not at all it's true that the older ones don't want it around. I also said, that folks in the Villages are different than the typical older American, for several reasons. Maybe it's time for yo to put the bourbon bottle under the sick.

I don't understand the comments that say if marijuana is legalized it will increase the underage use. EX: you grandkids.... Do your underage grandkids drink alcohol? If legalized, it will only be legal for adults to buy and use it. Just like alcohol. I suspect that many youth try marijuana specifically due to the fact that it is illegal.


With that said, I am not willing to try to change anybody's mind on the subject. We each have our reasons for our beliefs and what anybody else thinks about them is irrelevant, unless one of your beliefs is trying to change mine.

EDIT: Anyone who has gotten drunk knows how their reflexes and judgemt are impared. Those who have not smoked marijuana can't possible understand the difference.

The sad truth is that they simply do not know.. It's all speculation at the expense of millions of Americans that could benefit from its legalization. I understand we will lose jobs due to the lack of need for street dealers, but little consequence in my mind.

Sorry but you lose the battle over who's holding the bottle of bourbon and who's holding a bong. :1rotfl:

Just thought it was funny, not picking sides :ho:

I was supported financially through childhood by drugs. If you want to look at it that way. My family was in the beer brewing industry.


My father and grandfather were brewmasters, and both of them used a lot of alcohol.


I have to say that I am surprised at the polls on this forum that obviously support the legalization of marijuana for both medical and recreational use.


You never grow too old to be surprised. I am still mulling it over.


Our daughter said that the biggest surprise to her were the kids who had not been allowed to try alcohol in their home were tryin' it big time in college.


I am a HUGE fan of moderation. But some can't be moderate. It is just not part of their personality or genetic make up.


I guess this will be an "I told you so" on the part of somebody if it becomes legal.

I would not smoke a joint if it was handed to me by surgeon general and the highest ranked district attorney gave me the nod that it was legal now.

I also will not tell a person suffering that would benefit from its use NO because we think it might not be a good idea.

We have to many freedoms taken away from us by government already

[quote=Golfingnut;841115]Thank you for being sensible.[/quote

Why is it that every one that agrees with you is "sensible" and every one you disagree with is confused and misguided? I have found that to be the case in every single thread I have ever seen you write.

[quote=BS Beef;841795]Thank you very much, my thought is because they are and the others are not.

[quote=BS Beef;841795]Unintended consequence of smoking "the wicked weed'???

Here is your exact quote from the other post "It is the law in many states now an will soon be the law of the entire country. The fact that old people are the main objection to this coming attraction proves to me that it is right to legalize it. "

Don't see any reference to the folks in The Villages being different. And I drink wine not bourbon.

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Thrust me, it's complicated.

As a retired lawyer you might not see "the populous running around high" just as Villagers don't see it. We live protected lives; we don't live in some of the riskier urban areas. And it's not something you would likely notice just by taking a drive through such an area.

We don't want risky behavior spreading more widely.

You could say the same about alcohol. Alcohol is legal in the U.S. and you don't see people falling down drunk in the streets. But that doesn't mean it's not a problem. That's just an example of choosing to gloss over the problem.

Didn't someone say to use common sense? Well, let's try this: Instead of telling us we should legalize marijuana so people won't get criminal records, how about telling lawbreakers to stop breaking the law? Should we stop enforcing speed limits on the roadways because too many people are getting speeding tickets?

What else should we legalize? Prostitution? Cocaine? Dog fighting? Pedophilia? Public nudity? Public drunkenness? Look at all the money we would save on law enforcement if we would all become anarchists.

Prostitution. Yes, cocaine, no, Dog fighting. No, Pedophilia. No, Public nudity. Maybe. Drunk in public definite yes to teach the young what not to do.

Thanks for all the things you needed help with.

OK, let's use common sense as you suggested. When people were told to stop drinking during Prohibition, they went to bootleggers. And that is what is happening today, drug pushers are bootlegging marijuana and often selling it to children. Better to have it legalized and restricted to adults.

I haven't seen anyone suggesting we all become anarchists.
Anarchist
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

I wish I had your wisdom. Nones of us want a stoned or drunk population, but sense and sensibility need to rule.