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Seems to me that the many of the same people who want zero controls on guns want maximum control on marijuana.

Absolutely no doubt. I think it is a case if I will tolerate anything I firmly agree with, but nothing else.

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Back in college, statistics and scientific data mattered. I'm glad we've gotten to a time where all we need is opinions. I'd guess I'm an outlier on the correlation alleged to exist.
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Looking at the poll numbers gives me reason to think TV is in better shape than I would have thought. Yea Villagers.

You could also say that most hard liquor drinkers don't graduate to alcoholism. But I certainly don't think you mean to intend that people who drink only beer will never have an issue with it. That is simply NOT true. Just be a nurse for a few days and you'll know that answer.


But I can tell you that I have never met a person who does POT only that has any issues from it. At least not from a medical standpoint like a life long beer drinker.

When was your visit? That's all you have to answer.

Otherwise, like most here, you're parroting what someone else said. You have NO first hand experience and you're relying on what you've read or heard. So, in reality, you have a STRONG opinion about a place you've never been to or seen. Is that stereotyping? (sorry, wrong thread)

This is the same as your "facts" about marijuana. ALL you know is what you've read or heard. No firsthand experience, yet plenty of opinion. Whom doesn't know what they're talking about?

Using NK as my example for general ignorance was perfect. Thank you for proving the point. Never been there but know ALL about it?

Amazing.

I said we don't know anything about NK. But apparently, you do. Tell us again about your trip.

The most tyrannical regimes are found in Africa.

Don't be so easily lead astray.

My posts are long enough without going into every detail in every example. Of course I meant "rational" beer drinkers. People who enjoy a few beers to relax. Not people who put down cases at a time. I'm constantly saying that rational, self regulating people should be free to choose.

Thank you for saying that a "pot user" isn't a problem. Medically at least.

OK. A couple of questions about poster's names in this thread.

Billethkid, is that a play on Billy the Kid?

Texaninva, are you from Texas and now in Virginia Trace?

Just curious. Of course, Chi-Town is pretty obvious.

Thanks.

You are Chinese? ;)

Gracie, Gracie, Gracie...:ohdear:

I have been there done that, seen and paid for the ravages of marijuana with my children, so I come from a position of experience - maybe tainted by that experience; however I just cannot rationalize how legalizing marijuana will doing anything positive for our country. I don't agree with the ridiculous penalties attached to a conviction involving weed, but just cannot wrap my arms around legalization cause I have seen first hand the damage it does. And please don't equate it to alcohol cause there is an awful lot of damage there as well, but as I said earlier wine or a cocktail doesn't have to be enjoyed just to get a buzz - can enhance your meal. What do you pair marijuana with - ho ho's and doritos? It's only purpose is too get f_ _ _ ed up.

Details please...marijuana alone "ravaged" your children? In what way?

The positive thing? It brings back freedom of the individual to choose. A right you used to have in MANY aspects of your life.

After 2 drinks, most people are legally "at the limit", You are borderline too intoxicated to drive your car. You just don't realize it with alcohol.

Wine "enhances your meal"? Of course it does...enjoy the buzz.

I think you're under the false impression that marijuana is like heroin or drinking a 5th of scotch. A few puffs and you're wrecked, sprawled out on the couch, unable to utter a coherent sentence. Nothing, nothing could be farther from the truth. A few puffs is that same mellow feeling you get from your cocktail, or two. That relaxation you feel with your drink, it's chemical. You're f_ _ _ ed up on alcohol.

Denial isn't only a river in Egypt.

The "other" Don.:wine:

Please!


if there was NEVER a buzz in wine or booze there would be no such thing as 'pairing'. Wine was not created to 'pair' with anything except a buzz. That is a much, much later inventive way for the booze industry to sell the product. Don't think the early humans were saying "what can we invent that would pair well with this lamb?"


Many people do have just one joint to 'mellow'. And maybe a nice Hostess cupcake:)


From the web:


The altered consciousness produced by wine has been considered religious since its origin


Of course, ancient wines weren't just for recreational quaffing; they were also used as medicinal mixtures, (Hmmm, that sounds familiar doesn't it?)


Want more just search origins of wine!

I suppose someone is going to tell me that there isn't a Santa Claus either.


I am so naïve.

Since you don't think even one small glass of wine "enhances a meal", then I guess all those people who do are simply wrong. Yeah...that's it.

"Drive High, Get a DUI" campaign,- COLORADO
 

Pot taxes in one month for Colorado: $2 million


Colorado Launches Campaign to Curb Stoned Driving

DENVER — Colorado is spending $1 million on television ads making fun of marijuana users who space out during everyday tasks — an effort to stop stoned driving.

The Colorado Department of Transportation unveiled the "Drive High, Get a DUI" campaign Thursday, the state's first effort since marijuana was legalized in 2012 to remind drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol and not used before driving.

As a physician, we could say the same about over 100 prescription only drugs, medically proven to be equally as recreationally enjoyable with low addition potential and less side effects than pot (these are pills, not smoked).

Should we legalize those, too? Make them OTC and tax them?

I point out eweissenbach's post above not to pick him out, but because he so eloquently describes the arguments for legalization. I hope to have made one think about the negative repercussions of legalization...and where to draw the line.

And, The fact that alcohol is a drug and already legal is not a convincing argument for legalizing other mind-altering substances.

The fact that we cannot control pot sales and distribution with current laws and forces is not a convincing argument for legalizing a mind-altering substance. (It is an argument for stricter laws, including potentially capital punishment for the worst offending distributors).

Courts and prisons will not be less burdened with legalization...conversely, they will be more burdened as pot does impede driving, machine operating skills, work occupational safety, etc. at least as much as alcohol.

Bottom line: slippery slope of legalizing mind-altering, impairing substances is "bad" societal medicine.

That and the rest of cool's post makes sense to me.

That is a keen observation. What you point out is a stark contrast in people's perception of society.

A broader POV, looking at the forest instead of the trees.

I find it very peculiar too. I will skip the exercise of expounding on what gun are designed to do vs marijuana use.

They are different issues, but it sure casts a light on the differences in peoples perception of their world and others in it.

IMO, We are all prone to being manipulated by rhetoric and hyperbole, present or past... and it can cause deep seated biases that last a lifetime.

Joe … I repeat with emphasis -- you have absolutely no idea, ie zero, of what you’re talking about regarding North Korea. You’re either being willfully provocative or astoundingly naïve, or are possibly high when you write. Those are the only explanations I can conjure up.

For the record here is what you said lest it be unclear:
“…I’ve seen pictures of NK, it's VERY clean. The people looked like they were having a good time, smiling, laughing. They seemed well fed. Contrary to what we are told about the place. One picture was a nighttime satellite shot showing how dark NK is at night. If you ask me, they're happier at home sleeping than the shift workers here up all night toiling away. Things are seldom what you're told they are. Lies are everywhere.”

Of course I have not travelled to North Korea. Who would even want to visit that hellhole? But, I do have many years past experience where I had the opportunity to work with experts on the country, and who are the most knowledgeable in government and industry on the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Actually, it’s truly idiotic (no offense), and a waste of TOTV air time to even discuss whether North Korea is a Stalinist totalitarian regime. Trust me, it’s a fact …not an opinion, similar to me informing you the earth is round not flat. DPRK is a throwback in time with hundreds of thousands in forced labor camps, individuality non-existent and life is very, very cheap. I can cite volumes of open source information but I’ll leave that to others to look up if interested. I have no interest in persuading you, but I could simply not let such an egregiously naïve statement go unanswered or unchallenged on TOTV.

You also seem to be an anti-establishment guy, don’t trust authority, and skeptical of government in general, all of which is fine by the way. However, two questions for you now.

1. Given that Dear Leader Kim Jong Un was just reelected with 100% of the vote, and with a 100% voter turnout, does that strike you in any way as peculiar or generate any skepticism on your part? Do you think it might actually be ... a lie of sorts?

2. Do you think you would be happier living in North Korea? (your comments imply you might … so just asking)

That response is cruel and extremely disrespectful - do you think I would make something like that up for the sake of argument? Until you have walked in my shoes don't even presume you know what you are talking about.

Excellent post and well said.

Keep comments directed at the topic and not at users. Discuss the issues and avoid directing at each other so the thread doesn't have to be closed. Thanks in advance.

bears repeating for those who don't hear as well......:D

There is no need to insult people because you don't agree with their opinions.

Anyone
 

Does anyone really think their comments will change the mind and the actions of a Marijuana user. Let me help with the answer. NO !. The user must make the decision for themselves. Until they do they will (a) use and (b) be in favor of allowing others to use. To think otherwise is not to understand drugs and their effect on the mind and the need to use. As hard as it is to understand the only one that can alter the user's habits and needs is THE USER. :wave:

All of those opposed to changing the law, if it becomes legal... you should have the opportunity to try it.



Those who try it might have a miraculously change of opinion.



[Cheesy sinister laugh :icon_twisted:] MOOHOOO HEE HEE HAW HAW HAW HAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!


:loco: ;) Just joking

After 19 pages of postings, it is worth mentioning (IMO) that there is no movement towards legalizing marijuana in Florida, except for medical marijuana which will be on the ballot in November 2014. To use it recreationally legally, one must travel to Colorado or Washington, the only two states allowing it at this time.

To change the law in Florida would require close to one million signatures on a petition and someone with very deep pockets to fund the initiative, or action by the Florida legislature.

Even those who say they haven't tried it and are not crazy about it becoming legal, probably have tried it.


Most of us have had sex too.

Uhhh... maybe this will help you understand the meaning of joking.

joking - definition of joking by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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Oh course it should be legal how much longer are we going to waste law enforcement resources trying to control a drug that is less harmful than nicotine or alcohol?

Barefoot ...you're right, I should have toned down my language. Plus I will heed Admin's earlier admonitions to avoid directing at each other.

By way of background, here's what caused me to momentarily lose my temper ... ie JoeRocker's comments quoted as follows:

“…I’ve seen pictures of NK, it's VERY clean. The people looked like they were having a good time, smiling, laughing. They seemed well fed. Contrary to what we are told about the place. One picture was a nighttime satellite shot showing how dark NK is at night. If you ask me, they're happier at home sleeping than the shift workers here up all night toiling away. Things are seldom what you're told they are. Lies are everywhere.”

I understand. I do agree with your thoughts on NK.

Thank you - probably the most sensical post yet.

Since no reply I looked up your profiles. No further need.

If the make recreational Mary Jane legal, I can't wait to see the town squares at night. I think line dancing will go away as nobody will be able to keep their balance, duos will be replaced by Dead Head music etc. the sky is falling and there is a yellow submarine in Lake Sumter !!!!!!!

everybody who is so hiped up to have it legalized should educate themselves about what else comes with it. In Colorado they are experiencing high incidents of driving while stoned....gee what a surprise.

They are adding to the police forces and giving special training to spot the bobbing and weaving and what ever else.

I suspect it will go the way of cell phone by drivers. Some reports show more killed as a result of cell phones yet not much is done about it ....too many mothers that would be against drunk driving use cell phones therefore.......
The weed smokers will get the same benefit....to use a term loosely.