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jeffy 11-20-2020 06:53 AM

I enter the US Army Military Police July 31 1972, while Vietnam was still going on. I thank Jane Fonda for her courageous activities to help shorten this horrible and mistaken war. Reports of her giving notes written by POWs to captures is false, easy to check out. Thank you Jane for helping to shorten the war and saving many lives, possibly mine.

Ndomines 11-20-2020 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1863069)
In my native country and almost anywhere else in the world a traitor would have been hung as an example, but I guess here we are more civil.

The traitors? Really?
The traitors are the faceless oligarchs that control wealth in our country. The industrial military complex. The politicians that many people blame are just puppets. The mass media outlets are a machine; manipulated by the very same people that profit from war. We all witnessed these last four years the extent to which they will go to maintain control or as we saw most recently the money they will spend to get it back. Get ready folks, more money is made by war than building bridges.

Eg_cruz 11-20-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1863219)
Many share your opinion but is this really what she was doing or was she exposing the failed policies of of bad leadership? Is blindly following (and keeping quiet) about bad and sometimes immoral policies always the right thing to do? Reminds me of Mark Twain's quote "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it". Many are way too quick to equate country with government.

In my opinion it’s was more about her aiding the enemy. When she gave the note to them that’s when why she was there didn’t matter anymore. Had it been your loved one that passed her the note......where would you stand?

Two Bills 11-20-2020 07:27 AM

This is interesting.
The Colonel name in the story, completely denies it ever happened.

Col. Jerry Driscoll Debunks the Jane Fonda Vietnam Hoax - YouTube

Arlington123 11-20-2020 07:29 AM

Don’t be so naive. Vietnam like all wars was blood and guts, death and hell. Jane Fonda knew exactly what she was doing. Her statements apologizing ring hollow. She can’t apologize to those that died and suffered. She can’t apologize to those families who lost their sons, who lost their fathers. She can’t apologize to those that survived because we know all the real truth.

G.R.I.T.S. 11-20-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1862907)
I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

I've always 👎for both.

jbrown132 11-20-2020 07:35 AM

The Hollywood elite. Not much difference back then than now.

Pillowtalk 11-20-2020 07:36 AM

No one is perfect. You have to weigh the bad against the good to define their true character. You say you donate to Greenpeace and now that you found out Jane Fonda donates her time to make it better for everyone you are going to punish Greenpeace?
What does that say about your character?

jbrown132 11-20-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1862993)
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

I have many many friends who served in Viet Nam and everyone of them would like to have seen her tried for treason.

Captainpd 11-20-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1862993)
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

Guess you don't remember that she was given a note from the prisoners that she promptly gave to the the North Vietnam guards. The prisoners were beaten and 2 died. She is and was traitor

mk1126 11-20-2020 07:42 AM

Uncle Ho and the Cong would never have given up in that struggle even if it continued ad absurdum. LBJ still hung on to the "Domino' theory. Maybe the right move in Korea in 1950 but not in French Indochina.

JimJohnson 11-20-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Arlington123 (Post 1863203)
“Loved” “What she did was wonderful”. You have got to be kidding me. I don’t believe you are a NAM combat vet, you must be an imposter or bleeding heart liberal. There is no one more universally hated by Vietnam vets than Jane Fonda.

Regardless of your opinion of our participation in that war, Men were dying, maimed, and taken prisoner and tortured. All while she was in Hanoi being used as propaganda spokesperson by Vietnam. History will show that she is a traitor of the worst possible kind. Don’t buy this hype folks, this opinion is in the minority of Vietnam vets. USMC Vietnam 69-70.

Attachment 87011

This frame is proudly displayed in my man cave. I’m proud of my service to country.

I was there! You are missing the distinction between FACT and Propaganda. :1rotfl:

richs631 11-20-2020 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1862907)
I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

That traitor is a spokesperson for many companies. FYI. For those who want to forgive and forget, Do your homework

richs631 11-20-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1862993)
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

With all due respect she did NOT save lives. Do your homework

Bridget Staunton 11-20-2020 07:52 AM

I have no comment for Fonda. I want to say thanks to all that served. Mighty men & women

richs631 11-20-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1863043)
I must add, I am sure I know more about the Vietnam conflict than some and a whole lot more than the large majority of those giving opinions about it that are unaware of what really went on. I am a 22 year veteran of the Army, a decorated Combat Veteran and if called today would rush to be back in any conflict that my country needed me for, but I also believe we should never have been in Vietnam. The United States was wrong, and committed crimes against the people and especially children of Vietnam.

I definitely believe we should not have been in that War, but to call her an American hero, really, she saved lives, really. Sorry, no way.

soniak4@gmail.com 11-20-2020 07:57 AM

First, to all who served in VIetnam, THANK YOU and WELCOME HOME!!! One of the great tragedies of that war, the one where the US did not belong, is that we, the people, blamed the heroes who were there, giving their lives and body parts in the name of US democracy. Our great citizens criticized those heroes, spat at them when they returned home and refused to give them jobs and housing upon their return. That war was a tremendous blemish in our history. Jane Fonda had the gonads to stand and tell the truth and worked tirelessly to bring an end to that war and get our soldiers home. I salute her. I appreciate her and all the demonstrators who opposed that war and raised their voices to call out the perpetrators of that travesty. Good on you JANE!!! And again, to all Vietnam vets, thank you and welcome home.

Linnberg 11-20-2020 08:00 AM

Why bring up more old politics
 
Folks we are already so divided, as much or more than the 60s.
Why would we add to the divisions now by bringing up such a controversial issue from the past?
This had to set off more negative emotion feelings and continue to split us in half.
We need to unite over
Positives not negatives.

Diverdave 11-20-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1862985)

So her defense is i didn't know where I was sitting? You were in NORTH FREAKING VIETNAM! The defense that EVERYONE WAS DOING IT" never worked when I tried that crud with my mom. You can't protest your government during a time of war without protesting the grunt on the ground. Courageous? Are you kidding me? She was famous and rich, and that status was never in jeopardy.

Just my two cents, I could be wrong...

jammendolia 11-20-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr (Post 1863080)
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.

Please name one soldier she saved?

I wonder if the soldier that passed her the note during a handshake feels as JJ does? She gave it to the guards. He was beaten to h_ll.

That note passing story has been going on for years and has been repeatedly reputed. Do the research

rmd2 11-20-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1863214)
I have to admit I didn't know about "Hanoi Jane" so I researched it and found out she never meant to disrespect any Americans and apologized many times for the unfortunate picture that she mistakenly got involved with. Doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? We all make stupid mistakes.
“It happened on my last day in Hanoi…The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song… The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return…I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me… someone (I don’t remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed…

It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can’t blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it… I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.”

I don't believe a word of that. Very self-serving, Jane.

jrm4081@juno.com 11-20-2020 08:29 AM

Viet Nam
 
My husband was in Viet Nam and lost 29 West Point classmates there. It was a terrible and totally unnecessary war. Whether Jane Fonda is a hero or not depending on each person's opinion, the picture of her standing with a big gun aimed at our air planes will never be forgotten. There were other ways for her to protest.

allenpegg1@gmail.com 11-20-2020 08:31 AM

Very smart move!!!

jrm4081@juno.com 11-20-2020 08:32 AM

Also, we were told by Viet Nam vets in the know that when Jane visited the prison camp, each soldier handed her a tiny slip of paper with their social security number on it as she shook their hands but at the end, she turned the papers over to the guard. This story has been told so many times that I do believe it.

Marine1974 11-20-2020 08:37 AM

Semper Fi

waynehal55 11-20-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1862993)
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

I just threw up on my keyboard.
Thanks a lot.

taruffi57 11-20-2020 08:39 AM

And she is STILL unrepentant.

rjn5656 11-20-2020 08:40 AM

Jane Fonda
 
She is nothing more than a traitor.

Ndomines 11-20-2020 08:47 AM

Jane Fonda is not wanted in Vietnam
 
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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1862932)
Hanoi Jane should have been permanently exiled from the USA. I'm sure Vietnam would have welcomed her.

Jane Fonda is mot wanted in Vietnam anymore than Rosie O’Donnel is wanted in Canada.

Taltarzac725 11-20-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jrm4081@juno.com (Post 1863279)
Also, we were told by Viet Nam vets in the know that when Jane visited the prison camp, each soldier handed her a tiny slip of paper with their social security number on it as she shook their hands but at the end, she turned the papers over to the guard. This story has been told so many times that I do believe it.

Did Jane Fonda Betray American POWs in North Vietnam? It is false! Used Snopes.

Topspinmo 11-20-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1863299)
I'd be willing to bet many here bashing Jane Fonda just voted for a traitor in Donald Trump. Irony is lost on you people.

I think somebody got bashed in the head too much by hockey stick. O the irony.

Two Bills 11-20-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Captainpd (Post 1863250)
Guess you don't remember that she was given a note from the prisoners that she promptly gave to the the North Vietnam guards. The prisoners were beaten and 2 died. She is and was traitor

Please watch the link in post #44

airstreamingypsy 11-20-2020 09:22 AM

Jane was very young, made a mistake, and has apologized again and again. Geenpeace is an amazing organization, withdrawing support and writing a letter about Jane will show them. Jane is worth 200 million dollars, I'm sure you withdrawing your measly support will devastate them.

airstreamingypsy 11-20-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by taruffi57 (Post 1863282)
And she is STILL unrepentant.

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Is she? how many times does she have to apologize before you think she is repentant?

Topspinmo 11-20-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1863195)
Mine!! I was scheduled to go back in 1975. Do to the heroic efforts of Jane Fonda and thousands of other protesters the final Americans were pulled out by 30 April 1975.

Thank you Jane for not choosing to dodge your service to the problem in Vietnam. :bigbow:

Actually it was arc light and rolling thunder that brought NV to peace table. You can thank Johnson for VN war.

NotGolfer 11-20-2020 09:29 AM

Johnson was responsible for the war and it didn't have to do with politics over there but $$ and power. Hanoi Jane "was" hated by many and it continues on today. She's very liberal in her ideologies. Why anyone would say she did a lot for the war effort must have been smoking weed. The man who was tortured because of her (don't know if he's still living) probably would disagree vehemently with JimJohnson on his comments.

wganderson13 11-20-2020 09:40 AM

What are you squawking about? We've haven't won a war in 70 years. They all died for nothing. I used my 2-S deferment. LBJ put it in to be used by us patriots. There's a good reason why we're universally hated thru out the world.

quietpine 11-20-2020 09:41 AM

We’re you there? I don’t recall any irreparable harm. I remember a lot of people dying for reasons that became increasingly unsupportable when subjected to the scrutiny of a free press and public outrage. The protests became a movement and leaders emerged and then the unpopular war ended.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 11-20-2020 09:49 AM

And you know this how
 
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Originally Posted by Arlington123 (Post 1863203)
“Loved” “What she did was wonderful”. You have got to be kidding me. I don’t believe you are a NAM combat vet, you must be an imposter or bleeding heart liberal. There is no one more universally hated by Vietnam vets than Jane Fonda.

Regardless of your opinion of our participation in that war, Men were dying, maimed, and taken prisoner and tortured. All while she was in Hanoi being used as propaganda spokesperson by Vietnam. History will show that she is a traitor of the worst possible kind. Don’t buy this hype folks, this opinion is in the minority of Vietnam vets. USMC Vietnam 69-70.

maybe in the bubble of the villages vest gang , but in the real world there are a larger group of vets that have come to realize without the demonstrations the war would have gone on longer

New Englander 11-20-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by la lamy (Post 1863214)
i have to admit i didn't know about "hanoi jane" doesn't she deserve to be forgiven?

no she doesn't


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