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Old 07-21-2019, 09:17 AM
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We need to get to Mars and further. I hope the future of mankind eventually extends to settlements on other planets in other star systems. I know that is a long way off but find it nice to dream.
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We need to get to Mars and further. I hope the future of mankind eventually extends to settlements on other planets in other star systems. I know that is a long way off but find it nice to dream.





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Going to the moon is VERY EXPENSIVE.

However also look at all the technology break throughs, the medical advances and the many other major changes brought about by our last trip there. You would not have the the current laptop technology or the advances in food preservation or the things like cyclotron radiation (which has saved thousands of children with brain cancer) or so many other advances in science that are common today. We probably gained 25 years of technology improvements by the last effort. And I am sure we would make many more by doing it again.

So personally I believe the expense is well worth it.
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The topic of this thread is sending astronauts back to the moon. Many off topic posts diverting the thread have been deleted. If you wish to start a thread on global warming or reducing plastic waste pleas feel free to do so. Further off topic posts will be deleted.

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Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program. We already have so much national debt we don't need to be spending money we don't have.
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Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program. We already have so much national debt we don't need to be spending money we don't have.
Now that's funny. NASA's budget is .049% of the 4.4 trillion gdp for 2019. Ignorance is no excuse for data but sometimes we try to make cases based on it. Weather forecasting, GPS, bio-medical research are all benefits that we enjoy and use. Commercial corporations (the ones that hire people and sell us stuff) have been created for the industry. Opportunities for computer science and engineering students (our kids and grandkids) grow every day as new challenges are discovered. If you want to go after the spending of money we don't have, go after the other 99.51%
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Over the years I've heard the same story about how the space program has brought about so many advances. Seems like all those sources that I can remember making those claims were either people in NASA or a politician whose district benefited from the space program...
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Now that's funny. NASA's budget is .049% of the 4.4 trillion gdp for 2019. Ignorance is no excuse for data but sometimes we try to make cases based on it. Weather forecasting, GPS, bio-medical research are all benefits that we enjoy and use. Commercial corporations (the ones that hire people and sell us stuff) have been created for the industry. Opportunities for computer science and engineering students (our kids and grandkids) grow every day as new challenges are discovered. If you want to go after the spending of money we don't have, go after the other 99.51%
Just to be accurate, I think your budget number for NASA is about 10 times too low. The budget is around $20 billion, which is about 0.49 percent of total spending of $4.4 trillion. And, the GPD is over $20 trillion, which is about equal to the total national debt.. Our country's debt to GDP ratio is one of the highest in the world, but we are doing better than Greece. My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?
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My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?
Maybe part of the role of leadership is bearing the burden. Either you believe in America as the superpower of this planet or you abrogate that position. No one from outside countries paid the USSR for their very successful and ongoing manned space program. Today India launched a satellite to the southern pole of the moon, on their own dime. The European Union, the Chinese, the Japanese all have self financed space programs. I don't recall any of them asking for the rest of the world to pay for their efforts.

From those to whom much is given, much is expected. This is as old as the Bible. It informed the enlightenment as noblesse oblige. And my understanding of the general thrust of American history is that we believe we are a uniquely blessed nation. But some might think we better make sure Burkina Faso is paying its percentage.
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Just to be accurate, I think your budget number for NASA is about 10 times too low. The budget is around $20 billion, which is about 0.49 percent of total spending of $4.4 trillion. And, the GPD is over $20 trillion, which is about equal to the total national debt.. Our country's debt to GDP ratio is one of the highest in the world, but we are doing better than Greece. My point about sending a man to the moon is that, it is touted as a great benefit for the world, so why don't we expect the rest of the world to share in the cost?
You're correct..not sure how the 0 got in there. We can expect the rest of the world to chip in but they won't.....only recently did they start stepping up to the UN costs but nowhere near where they should be. China and Russia will continue to do their own things and we will continue to share and offer our learnings with everyone else. I have hope that helps some of the Countries that need the help.
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