Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2460931)

The average price for a new car is about $48K. My Tesla Model Y was significantly less than that. While you can spend over $100K for some Tesla models (just like you can spend over $100K for some Chevy models), the most popular models are much less.

Originally Posted by Steve Y (Post 2460793)

On March 1st around 9am my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont to look and possibly buy a Kia Telluride SX Prestige X-Line (referred to as car). Mike was assigned to me as the sales person After hours of haggling with him and some of his bosses we made a deal for the car purchase.

While we were waiting for my credit to unfreeze, Mike sat me down in the car and sold me a theft package that he said the sales people were allowed to sell this for a little extra money. He then took out an ultraviolet flashlight and shined it on the headliner and showed me where he said the theft ID should be. We saw nothing on the headliner. Mike said they must have put the ID somewhere else. I then asked Mike to make sure it was installed before I left. Mike said no problem.

For the next three months 5 or 6 different times I asked Mike where is the theft id. I never received an answer from Mike.

On May 30th, I texted him “Please call me”. NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 3rd I texted “Could you please find where they placed then etching/ultraviolet theft deterrent on my Telluride. Please text info.” Again, NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 5th I texted “I will be there Saturday morning for someone to show me where the anti- theft/ultraviolet etching was done.”
On Jun 5th Mike texted back “OK you can speak to the manager.”
On June 5th I texted back “It amazes me that NO one knows where its installed.”

On June 7th, around 9am, my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont. We were sent to John the finance manager. We told John the problem that Mike avoided answering me for over 3 months of where the theft ID was installed. We also told him how disappointed we were with Mike. John informed us he was one of the best salesmen. (GOD Help them).

John came out to the car with us. I took out my ultra violet flashlight and asked where it was installed. John then informed us that the theft ID was not installed and Ultra Violet was not even used by the dealership. John also stated nothing had to be done and the warranty would still be valid even if they didn’t install the theft ID. However, the theft contract clearly states “THE AUTHORIZED DEALER/DEALERSHIP MUST INSTALL THE ANTI-THEFT PROTECTION THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM FOR YOU TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE AGREEMENT.”

John then offered have someone install it immediately. My response was that I wanted my money back. John said no it was part of the sale. I informed John that since it wasn’t installed at delivery and now its 4 months later, I want my money back and John agreed. It’s now 6 months later no refund.

Kia of Clermont is owned by the Morgan Auto Group. On August 18th, we sent two certified return receipt letters, one to the president Larry Morgan and one to the CEO Brett Morgan of Morgan Auto Group. The letters were received and signed for on Aug 22nd. It is now 3 weeks later and I have still not received a response. Obviously, they couldn’t care less that their Clermont KIA dealer is scamming me.

I wonder how many other customers of KIA of Clermont has not installed the ID protection and has scammed. In the 60 years that I have bought cars I have never had an out and out scam done to me except by KIA of Clermont.

If you have been scammed by Kia of Clermont or any other Morgan Auto Group owned dealership, please comment back.

There is more dealer malfeasance by Kia of Clermont. When I have a chance, I will post it later to show the horrendous actions they have done.

NO AUTO DEALER HAS EVER TREATED ME THIS WAY. I WAS ALWAYS TREATED AS A VALUED CUSTOMER EVERYWHERE. NOT AT KIA OF CLERMONT.

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2460847)

lol… …. PT Barnum was right

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2460931)

The average price for a new car is about $48K. My Tesla Model Y was significantly less than that. While you can spend over $100K for some Tesla models (just like you can spend over $100K for some Chevy models), the most popular models are much less.

Originally Posted by Steve Y (Post 2460793)

On March 1st around 9am my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont to look and possibly buy a Kia Telluride SX Prestige X-Line (referred to as car). Mike was assigned to me as the sales person After hours of haggling with him and some of his bosses we made a deal for the car purchase.

While we were waiting for my credit to unfreeze, Mike sat me down in the car and sold me a theft package that he said the sales people were allowed to sell this for a little extra money. He then took out an ultraviolet flashlight and shined it on the headliner and showed me where he said the theft ID should be. We saw nothing on the headliner. Mike said they must have put the ID somewhere else. I then asked Mike to make sure it was installed before I left. Mike said no problem.

For the next three months 5 or 6 different times I asked Mike where is the theft id. I never received an answer from Mike.

On May 30th, I texted him “Please call me”. NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 3rd I texted “Could you please find where they placed then etching/ultraviolet theft deterrent on my Telluride. Please text info.” Again, NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 5th I texted “I will be there Saturday morning for someone to show me where the anti- theft/ultraviolet etching was done.”
On Jun 5th Mike texted back “OK you can speak to the manager.”
On June 5th I texted back “It amazes me that NO one knows where its installed.”

On June 7th, around 9am, my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont. We were sent to John the finance manager. We told John the problem that Mike avoided answering me for over 3 months of where the theft ID was installed. We also told him how disappointed we were with Mike. John informed us he was one of the best salesmen. (GOD Help them).

John came out to the car with us. I took out my ultra violet flashlight and asked where it was installed. John then informed us that the theft ID was not installed and Ultra Violet was not even used by the dealership. John also stated nothing had to be done and the warranty would still be valid even if they didn’t install the theft ID. However, the theft contract clearly states “THE AUTHORIZED DEALER/DEALERSHIP MUST INSTALL THE ANTI-THEFT PROTECTION THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM FOR YOU TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE AGREEMENT.”

John then offered have someone install it immediately. My response was that I wanted my money back. John said no it was part of the sale. I informed John that since it wasn’t installed at delivery and now its 4 months later, I want my money back and John agreed. It’s now 6 months later no refund.

Kia of Clermont is owned by the Morgan Auto Group. On August 18th, we sent two certified return receipt letters, one to the president Larry Morgan and one to the CEO Brett Morgan of Morgan Auto Group. The letters were received and signed for on Aug 22nd. It is now 3 weeks later and I have still not received a response. Obviously, they couldn’t care less that their Clermont KIA dealer is scamming me.

I wonder how many other customers of KIA of Clermont has not installed the ID protection and has scammed. In the 60 years that I have bought cars I have never had an out and out scam done to me except by KIA of Clermont.

If you have been scammed by Kia of Clermont or any other Morgan Auto Group owned dealership, please comment back.

There is more dealer malfeasance by Kia of Clermont. When I have a chance, I will post it later to show the horrendous actions they have done.

NO AUTO DEALER HAS EVER TREATED ME THIS WAY. I WAS ALWAYS TREATED AS A VALUED CUSTOMER EVERYWHERE. NOT AT KIA OF CLERMONT.

Originally Posted by roadrnnr (Post 2460967)

You counting the $7500 off? Mine will be a LD RWD. Msrp is 48630 with white seats option, then $41130 if it arrives before sept 30.

Originally Posted by roamingelk (Post 2460968)

The first mistake you made was buying a Kia.⁹

Originally Posted by VillagesDude (Post 2460971)

Kia dealers are the absolute worst of the worst and Hyundai dealers only second to Kia. Same awful philosophy in selling cars. The cars are nice and many models worthy of purchase. It’s the salespersons that keep me away from those brands. Oh, Toyotas great cars too with crappy dealership culture. If you’re looking for a new car, use the phone first. Contact many dealers in the area and let them know you are calling several. Let them know you want best price, in writing, before going in. Do not go in to any dealer without deal in hand. Make certain they fully understand if anything changes on the fully disclosed written OTD price they provided, you will walk immediately. Never pay MSRP unless car is very rare and never pay for add ons. If you don’t like haggling for cars, use a service like Delivrd.com or CarEdge. About $1,000 but worth it. Search YouTube for video channels of each.

Originally Posted by Steve Y (Post 2460793)

On March 1st around 9am my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont to look and possibly buy a Kia Telluride SX Prestige X-Line (referred to as car). Mike was assigned to me as the sales person After hours of haggling with him and some of his bosses we made a deal for the car purchase.

While we were waiting for my credit to unfreeze, Mike sat me down in the car and sold me a theft package that he said the sales people were allowed to sell this for a little extra money. He then took out an ultraviolet flashlight and shined it on the headliner and showed me where he said the theft ID should be. We saw nothing on the headliner. Mike said they must have put the ID somewhere else. I then asked Mike to make sure it was installed before I left. Mike said no problem.

For the next three months 5 or 6 different times I asked Mike where is the theft id. I never received an answer from Mike.

On May 30th, I texted him “Please call me”. NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 3rd I texted “Could you please find where they placed then etching/ultraviolet theft deterrent on my Telluride. Please text info.” Again, NO REPLY from Mike.
On June 5th I texted “I will be there Saturday morning for someone to show me where the anti- theft/ultraviolet etching was done.”
On Jun 5th Mike texted back “OK you can speak to the manager.”
On June 5th I texted back “It amazes me that NO one knows where its installed.”

On June 7th, around 9am, my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont. We were sent to John the finance manager. We told John the problem that Mike avoided answering me for over 3 months of where the theft ID was installed. We also told him how disappointed we were with Mike. John informed us he was one of the best salesmen. (GOD Help them).

John came out to the car with us. I took out my ultra violet flashlight and asked where it was installed. John then informed us that the theft ID was not installed and Ultra Violet was not even used by the dealership. John also stated nothing had to be done and the warranty would still be valid even if they didn’t install the theft ID. However, the theft contract clearly states “THE AUTHORIZED DEALER/DEALERSHIP MUST INSTALL THE ANTI-THEFT PROTECTION THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM FOR YOU TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE AGREEMENT.”

John then offered have someone install it immediately. My response was that I wanted my money back. John said no it was part of the sale. I informed John that since it wasn’t installed at delivery and now its 4 months later, I want my money back and John agreed. It’s now 6 months later no refund.

Kia of Clermont is owned by the Morgan Auto Group. On August 18th, we sent two certified return receipt letters, one to the president Larry Morgan and one to the CEO Brett Morgan of Morgan Auto Group. The letters were received and signed for on Aug 22nd. It is now 3 weeks later and I have still not received a response. Obviously, they couldn’t care less that their Clermont KIA dealer is scamming me.

I wonder how many other customers of KIA of Clermont has not installed the ID protection and has scammed. In the 60 years that I have bought cars I have never had an out and out scam done to me except by KIA of Clermont.

If you have been scammed by Kia of Clermont or any other Morgan Auto Group owned dealership, please comment back.

There is more dealer malfeasance by Kia of Clermont. When I have a chance, I will post it later to show the horrendous actions they have done.

NO AUTO DEALER HAS EVER TREATED ME THIS WAY. I WAS ALWAYS TREATED AS A VALUED CUSTOMER EVERYWHERE. NOT AT KIA OF CLERMONT.

Originally Posted by VillagesDude (Post 2460971)

Kia dealers are the absolute worst of the worst and Hyundai dealers only second to Kia. Same awful philosophy in selling cars. The cars are nice and many models worthy of purchase. It’s the salespersons that keep me away from those brands. Oh, Toyotas great cars too with crappy dealership culture.
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2460976)

Baloney. KIA brand is the new Honda/Toyota kid on the block. They are a great vehicles with even more improvements coming down the road. Crappy dealer has nothing to do with the product produced. Even though I don't drive one, I know several people who do and they're very happy with their vehicles.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2460988)

The company I consult for, owns 17 New Car Dealerships. I've built 15 of them.

I was working in the Automobile business, since August 1972. I was 19 year old salesman.

So that's 53 years, in and around the business.

Kia & Hyundai are 3rd Tier Manufactures. If you're a used car dealer and want to become a New Car Dealer, the easiest place to start, is with a 3rd Tier franchise (there are 4th Tier, like Fiat).

The quality of ownership and management at a 3rd Tier manufacturer, is vastly different from a Tier 1 or 2 Dealership. Stands to reason, doesn't it? No different than shopping at a first class men's shop or shopping at Beall's or similar.

The odds are, if you stop at a Mercedes, BMW or Lexus dealership, you're going to treated well ... less so at Chevrolet, Nissan, VW, etc. Toyota is right about the demarcation between 1/2. Most of them are very professional.

When you get down to the Kia/Hyundai realm, you're 1/2 step up from a Used Car Dealer & the odds are, the owner was a Used Car guy, not so long ago. The second you walk into a Dealership, you should be able to tell the difference.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2460988)

The company I consult for, owns 17 New Car Dealerships. I've built 15 of them.

I was working in the Automobile business, since August 1972. I was 19 year old salesman.

So that's 53 years, in and around the business.

Kia & Hyundai are 3rd Tier Manufactures. If you're a used car dealer and want to become a New Car Dealer, the easiest place to start, is with a 3rd Tier franchise (there are 4th Tier, like Fiat).

The quality of ownership and management at a 3rd Tier manufacturer, is vastly different from a Tier 1 or 2 Dealership. Stands to reason, doesn't it? No different than shopping at a first class men's shop or shopping at Beall's or similar.

The odds are, if you stop at a Mercedes, BMW or Lexus dealership, you're going to treated well ... less so at Chevrolet, Nissan, VW, etc. Toyota is right about the demarcation between 1/2. Most of them are very professional.

When you get down to the Kia/Hyundai realm, you're 1/2 step up from a Used Car Dealer & the odds are, the owner was a Used Car guy, not so long ago. The second you walk into a Dealership, you should be able to tell the difference.

Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2461004)

Thanks for the facts. If you read car reviews concerning longevity, repairs, etc., Kia/Hyundai have a terrible track record. Good cars but generally not for the long run.

Human nature is what it is meaning, generally everyone is looking for a "deal" without considering the quality of what they are purchasing. So, the cheaper the better and that's where Kia/Hundai fall. I'm not saying our american cars are a lot better but in general the Korean car market is lower on the totem pole.

Originally Posted by roamingelk (Post 2460968)

The first mistake you made was buying a Kia.⁹

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2460972)

Yes, it came off the price, as opposed to collecting at tax time. They were also offering the red for no extra charge. Mine was a couple of K less than yours. I believe ordering and paying the deposit prior to September 30 is sufficient for the tax credit. Did you get your VIN yet? Did you use a referral code when you ordered?

Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2461014)

Just wait until you have to have maintenance or repairs on that Kia, I'd anticipate another thread incoming.

Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2461004)

Thanks for the facts. If you read car reviews concerning longevity, repairs, etc., Kia/Hyundai have a terrible track record. Good cars but generally not for the long run.

Human nature is what it is meaning, generally everyone is looking for a "deal" without considering the quality of what they are purchasing. So, the cheaper the better and that's where Kia/Hundai fall. I'm not saying our american cars are a lot better but in general the Korean car market is lower on the totem pole.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2461005)

I'm not impressed by snobbery but by reliability, styling and features. KIA makes some great vehicles, pricing is better and their warrantees are honored. Yeah, my Lexus RX had a beautiful price tag, a lot of bells and whistles of which 80% I don't care for and I don't have to sit in a massage chair with snackies and beverages to have my vehicle serviced every time. There is a lot of room in the market for Kia vehicles and I'm more impressed by the product than by the snobbery. Pretentiousness isn't my bag.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2461024)

When I said there were "Tiers", I wasn't necessarily referencing "quality".

The Tiers are based on public perception, time in the market, customer satisfaction, dealer profitability, Manufacturer support ... a lot of things go into the equation and manufacturers (name plates) move up and down.

It was that long ago, Subaru was a 3rd Tier, now I'd put it in the 2nd Tier, depending on geographical location. VW has move up & down between 2/3. Hyundai is now upper echelon of Tier 3, Genesis has helped it.

Not everyone will agree with how our organization sees the Tiers, but we represent almost all the 2nd Tier Manufacturers, with only Mazda being marginally out of that Tier.

There's more than enough room in the market for Kia. I was perfectly fine spending 100K+ for my BMW and when it's been serviced, I better be sitting in a leather lounge chair, while I'm waiting for them to bring me my loaner BMW. Same with my Acura (bottom 1st Tier).

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2461024)

When I said there were "Tiers", I wasn't necessarily referencing "quality".

The Tiers are based on public perception, time in the market, customer satisfaction, dealer profitability, Manufacturer support ... a lot of things go into the equation and manufacturers (name plates) move up and down.

It was that long ago, Subaru was a 3rd Tier, now I'd put it in the 2nd Tier, depending on geographical location. VW has move up & down between 2/3. Hyundai is now upper echelon of Tier 3, Genesis has helped it.

Not everyone will agree with how our organization sees the Tiers, but we represent almost all the 2nd Tier Manufacturers, with only Mazda being marginally out of that Tier.

There's more than enough room in the market for Kia. I was perfectly fine spending 100K+ for my BMW and when it's been serviced, I better be sitting in a leather lounge chair, while I'm waiting for them to bring me my loaner BMW. Same with my Acura (bottom 1st Tier).

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2461033)

This is funny to me, snobbery tiers. The real funny part is that the younger generation is so much wiser on the whole to this money thing. The couple that owns the Kia I spoke of could easily have your BMW or two but they are young, financially stable and living the life they enjoy without sweat and waving their status around. It feels to me like the younger generation is so much wiser and on to the older generation's hang ups.

Originally Posted by jimhoward (Post 2461039)

All very interesting. I didn't know anything about "tiers" before.

My last car was/is a low-end Mercedes (GLK) and I was treated well by the dealer. Service is expensive, but they give you snacks, a nice work area with desks and charging ports while you wait, and they wash the car. They will also give you a loaner if you want. I never have bothered, because you generally need to give them more notice on your service appointment and it is just as easy to bring my laptop and work in their lounge.

I then bought a Hyundai Palisade because I wanted a bigger car to carry stuff and people on road trips to Florida; and I didn't want to spend $100K. But they also treat me very well. Service is much less expensive than the Mercedes, they also give you snacks, and they also have a nice lounge area where you can work and they also wash your car. I don't know if the loaners are free I haven't asked...probably not.

I am sure some of it is my lack of sophistication, but I haven't noticed a very big difference between my Mercedes dealer (tier 1 i assume) and my Hyundai Dealer (tier 3 as I have just learned)

Originally Posted by Plinker (Post 2461058)

I have owned many high five-figure cars and one six-figure car. Here is the biggest difference. After purchasing the car, you NEVER have to return to the dealer unless it is time to trade it in. A loaner car of the same brand will magically appear on your driveway in the morning when it needs servicing. You can then head out for a round of golf and an adult beverage following the carnage and disappointment you just endured.
Upon returning home, later in the afternoon, your loaner car will disappear from your driveway and your car will reappear. It has been washed and vacuumed and the service is complete.
Seriously, why would anyone want to take the time to drive to a dealer and sit in a waiting room if they purchased a high-dollar car?
Perhaps, ego and not sophistication is at play.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2461053)

I'd suggest you're hanging around in the wrong neighborhoods.

I belong to a mid-tier country club and regardless of a member's age, everyone has a luxury car. There's a handful of Bentley's & Maseratis, but most everyone else is driving a BWM, Mercedes, Lexus or some such thing. I'm fascinated by how much money the younger generations have and how they spend it. My daughter and her BF, go out for dinner in Boston, 4 nights a week ... & to 1st class restaurants.

I guess it depends on what you're used to.

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2460931)

The average price for a new car is about $48K. My Tesla Model Y was significantly less than that. While you can spend over $100K for some Tesla models (just like you can spend over $100K for some Chevy models), the most popular models are much less.

Originally Posted by Steve Y (Post 2460793)

On March 1st around 9am my wife and I arrived at KIA of Clermont to look and possibly buy a Kia Telluride SX Prestige X-Line (referred to as car). Mike was assigned to me as the sales person After hours of haggling with him and some of his bosses we made a deal for the car purchase.

Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2461165)

Aside from the fact that we've learned never to buy any car in Orlando or surrounding area....... seriously who wants to steal a KIA???

Originally Posted by Chitown (Post 2460890)

Wow, I just bought a new car from Jenkins Hyundai and it was a great experience. They offered all the extra upticks to which I said no. They never pressed the issue. When I signed the papers the finance person went page by page explaining each page I signed. In the end I was handed a hard copy of everything. I had a great experience.

Originally Posted by MX rider (Post 2461162)

I just bought a new Chevy Colorado and my wife still likes her car, but if we were looking to get her a new car, a Tesla would be at the top of our list. I know afew people that drive Tesla's and are very happy owning one. The buying process is a plus for sure.