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Old 01-12-2015, 09:30 AM
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There are some estimates that the value of "church owned" properties in the US may approach $1 trillion. The question of local subdivisions imposing RE taxes is complicated with far reaching consequences, but in my opinion should be carefully explored.
Many of our churches have what I refer to as an "ediface" complex , which to me has greater meaning than the tax question. When we meet our "maker" I hope I do not have to account for the spending on "edifaces" while the "hungry and homeless and sick and poor " were crying out for help.
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The same can be said for all of downtown Clearwater which is owned by the Scientologists.
Actually, and I am doing this from memory, they own about 60 or so properties and ONLY those used for "religious purposes" are exempt.

I THINK that amounted to about 2/3 of the properties that they own. When they buy a hotel it is not exempt from taxes, and trust me I am not a defender of this "religion" because they will do whatever is necessary to shield their income. They often used false names and shell corporations to make buys.

Glad this came up as folks are posting about the "church" and wonder what "church" they refer to when they say that so generically.
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Shall we talk about all non profits? I don't like stuff that isn't what it is supposed to be. I don't like that Westboro Baptist Church. I do like St. Timothy's. Is that too big? Where do we stop with this stuff? Shall we talk about Bingo? Shall we talk about having to pay membership to a church? Now I can get into that discussion. I don't like Bingo in places of worship to make money. I don't like sushi.

BUT I REALLY don't like the tone of this at all. I do not like anti-religious anything just because you aren't religious. UNLESS the religion is out to slit your throat.

It just isn't how I was raised. If you are not religious, than don't be, but don't be hateful.

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Ditto. The money raised goes to Charity.
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I don't like local church monies going up the chain to national and international headquarters where the big shots do "who knows what" with it. But there is no denying what religious charities like Catholic Charities accomplish for the common welfare of society:
"RELIGIOUS institutions in America are not required to report income or spending. In the absence of co-ordination among local and national church organisations and their subsequent co-operation with The Economist, we attempted to estimate the total economic heft of the Catholic church in America by constructing a national operating budget. Here is a back-of-the-envelope calculation.

The $170 billion total was derived by adding together the following:

Health care: $98.6 billion was reportedly spent by members of the Catholic Health Association of the United States.

Education: publicly available operating budgets for the 244 Catholic colleges and universities (for those whose budgets where unavailable or out-of-date or had closed, we drew up estimates based on those of comparable institutions) add up to $48.8 billion

Parish disbursements: we calculated a national estimate by grossing up incomplete numbers provided by the Center for the Applied Research on the Apostolate at Georgetown University. Total: $11 billion. [This would probably include Catholic K-12 parish schools, which reduce the local public school districts' income/expenditure needs greatly].

Charities: we used the total annual budget of Catholic Charities USA, which includes all of its local subsidiaries (but not other local charities) and amounts to $4.7 billion….."
The Catholic church in America: The working | The Economist
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Ditto. The money raised goes to Charity.
I'm not sure that applies across the board. What about that archbishop in Atlanta with the 2.2 million dollar mansion? And good ole Jim and Tammy Faye Baker (BTW he's out of jail and trying to start up again in Michigan) and their ilk?
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I'm not sure that applies across the board. What about that archbishop in Atlanta with the 2.2 million dollar mansion? And good ole Jim and Tammy Faye Baker (BTW he's out of jail and trying to start up again in Michigan) and their ilk?
Just a drop in the bucket compared to the Pope's 1.21 billion dollar mansion.
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Somewhere along the line, my original post on this thread that encompassed "places of worship," was turned into churches only. I have seen Christian churches of all types, synogogues, Greek Orthodox churches, mosques, etc., which fall into the category of what I consider "overkill" in terms of what these places look like and cost and the reason for their very being.

If posters want to be specific regarding a place of worship -- fine. But please don't think being specific was my intent. {;o)
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I don't like local church monies going up the chain to national and international headquarters where the big shots do "who knows what" with it.
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Funny - I feel the same way about all of the government taxes that we pay!
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I've often seen places of worship throughout the country that are beyond grand. Obviously, I'm not speaking about the small neighborhood places, or even the even lesser noticed places where services are held in a rented store front.

I'm speaking about the ostentatious "architectural palaces" which are built with incredible stained glass windows, manicured landscaping and gardens, night-scape lighting, imported woods and stone . . . the list goes on as have the costs which range in the many millions. Many of these places are built in prime real estate areas where they are exempt from taxation.

What are your thoughts regarding places of worship being exempt from taxes?
If you believe they shouldn't be, how should they be taxed?

What justification can you offer for taxing the "ostentatious architectural palace" from the not ostentatious despite all structures being attached to a religious denomination?

Why is what is good for one not good for another?
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Tax them, to me they are nothing but money hungry businesses. Those who enjoy spending their money on churches are more than welcome to do it. To each their own.
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I'm not sure that applies across the board. What about that archbishop in Atlanta with the 2.2 million dollar mansion? And good ole Jim and Tammy Faye Baker (BTW he's out of jail and trying to start up again in Michigan) and their ilk?
So, you would throw the baby out with the bath water.
I do not know the Archbishop in Atlanta you speak of, but if Catholic, Pope Francis will in all likelihood remove him like he did the bishop of Limburg.
The Bakers were televangisist, and their own "church".

Now the comment re the Vatican. The Vatican buildings are museums also of ancient art that artists in the middle ages created for The Church as a gift to God of their time and talent.

The beautiful Churches are designed and built to bring the Faithful closer to God.

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This is a better argument than I could write.

http://townhall.com/news/religion/20...s_be_taxexempt
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What a hardened world we now live in.

The majority of churches are not castles and every pastor cannot be painted with the same brush as the few fallen pastors.

The vast majority of churches and ministers do so much good!



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The law which granted them the tax exempt status was given to them if they did not enter the world of politics, such as endorsing of not endorsing. Every year the church ignores the agreement ...
Don't know what church you attend?, or not, but we go to a Catholic Church even when we travel and have NEVER HEARD a Priest talk politics in any of them.
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