[kittygilchrist]

Life in Israel: Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer Blasts CNN For Anti-Israeli Bias

Sanity in a world gone mad, a voice of reason against babbling ignorance.

[nitehawk]

is israel ever wrong ?????

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

is israel ever wrong ?????

Yes. They gave the Sanai peninsula, larger than the current borders of israel, in a deal to make peace with Arabs.

[Beechie]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Yes. They gave the Sanai peninsula, larger than the current borders of israel, in a deal to make peace with Arabs.

Yes, and the Sinai peninsula is filled with oil fields. Occupied since the Arab Israeli war in 1967 and then ceded back in 1979. This was for peace in the region. It is clear there will be no permanent peace as the Palestinians, and in particular Hamas, have no interest in sharing Israel with Israelis.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

is israel ever wrong ?????

Yes, just like other countries can be wrong. But not in this case. What other country would be expected to sit by and do nothing while rockets rain down upon them. Certainly no other country would be expected to put up with the tunnels that have been dug with the sole purpose df conducting terrorist attacks. Hamas, an organization that is recognized as a terrorist organization and whose stated policy is the destruction of Jews, fires rockets intentionally at Israeli civilian populations and fires them from schools and mosques and civilian areas. When Israel retaliates the world seems shocked that civilians have been involved in the casualties. Maybe Israel should meet Hamas halfway, and only let them destroy half of the Israeli population! As a former Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Maier once said, we can forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for forcing us to kill your children.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

Yes, just like other countries can be wrong. But not in this case. What other country would be expected to sit by and do nothing while rockets rain down upon them. Certainly no other country would be expected to put up with the tunnels that have been dug with the sole purpose df conducting terrorist attacks. Hamas, an organization that is recognized as a terrorist organization and whose stated policy is the destruction of Jews, fires rockets intentionally at Israeli civilian populations and fires them from schools and mosques and civilian areas. When Israel retaliates the world seems shocked that civilians have been involved in the casualties. Maybe Israel should meet Hamas halfway, and only let them destroy half of the Israeli population! As a former Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Maier once said, we can forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for forcing us to kill your children.

You are a very wise man, Barry. And Golda Maier said it well.

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

Yes, just like other countries can be wrong. But not in this case. What other country would be expected to sit by and do nothing while rockets rain down upon them. Certainly no other country would be expected to put up with the tunnels that have been dug with the sole purpose df conducting terrorist attacks. Hamas, an organization that is recognized as a terrorist organization and whose stated policy is the destruction of Jews, fires rockets intentionally at Israeli civilian populations and fires them from schools and mosques and civilian areas. When Israel retaliates the world seems shocked that civilians have been involved in the casualties. Maybe Israel should meet Hamas halfway, and only let them destroy half of the Israeli population! As a former Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Maier once said, we can forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for forcing us to kill your children.

As Gracie just said, that is one of the clearest explanations that I've heard about the current mess involving Israel. WAY too many people are blaming Israel and ignoring the truth. Only those who are ignoring the truth can continue to be critical of Israel and that includes those at the very highest levels within this current demented government of ours.

[OurHappyHome]

It seems like some people just don't ever want to get along. The big moment was missed during the Clinton days at camp David.

[Tennisnut]

It appears that in this thread that it is wrong to express sympathy for the INNOCENT Palestinians that are being killed in this conflict. Five years old do not terrorize Israelis.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

Yes, just like other countries can be wrong. But not in this case. What other country would be expected to sit by and do nothing while rockets rain down upon them. Certainly no other country would be expected to put up with the tunnels that have been dug with the sole purpose df conducting terrorist attacks. Hamas, an organization that is recognized as a terrorist organization and whose stated policy is the destruction of Jews, fires rockets intentionally at Israeli civilian populations and fires them from schools and mosques and civilian areas. When Israel retaliates the world seems shocked that civilians have been involved in the casualties. Maybe Israel should meet Hamas halfway, and only let them destroy half of the Israeli population! As a former Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Maier once said, we can forgive you for killing our children, but we cannot forgive you for forcing us to kill your children.

Then there is the matter of how each side regard women. And gays.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Then there is the matter of how each side regard women. And gays.

Yes, we have that same issue here in USA! Its amazing the diversity of opinion.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

It appears that in this thread that it is wrong to express sympathy for the INNOCENT Palestinians that are being killed in this conflict. Five years old do not terrorize Israelis.

I don't think anyone expressed lack of empathy for the civilians and children being killed. I think the thread was about Israel being blamed for defending themselves. War is crap...it just is.

As for what is going on now with Hadar Goldin...I am wondering if this is legitimate. I just heard he is "dead" but no one is saying how or where. I am wondering if he really is or if that is what Israel is saying because they have no idea where he is so they are trying to get Hamas to admit to having him to keep Israel from bombing a location where he might be being kept?

If, in fact, he is dead, it helps Israel because it eliminates a bargaining chip..how awful to think of a person as a bargaining chip. Last soldier who was alive was traded for over a thousand Palestinian soldiers.

Like I said, war is just crap. There are so few winners...and they are never the civilians.

[Uberschaf]

The Israelis only want peace.

[shcisamax]

I saw a wonderfully simple comment. If the Palestinians said they would fight no more and laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis said they would fight no more and laid their weapons down, they would be annihilated. I think this is true.

[janmcn]

NBC News is reporting that Hadar Goldin was killed in combat, not kidnapped by Hamas, as some had suspected.


Missing Israeli Soldier Hadar Goldin Is Dead, Military Says - NBC News