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Fastskiguy 06-23-2025 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2440911)
The other issue is at what point is a charging station profitable, current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit. Private business is not going to build charging stations for the good of the people and lose money. And it should not be up to the government to build charging stations on taxpayer money!
Well if you want to seriously go into subsidies you might want to look into how effective the oil lobby has been.

All subsidies for energy should be discontinued and let it play out....but it's gotta be a level playing field so dealing with battery creating and recycling and your "occasional environmental disaster" cleanup (new horizons, leaded gas, etc, etc) needs to be accounted for.

Joe

Bill14564 06-23-2025 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2440911)
The other issue is at what point is a charging station profitable, current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit. Private business is not going to build charging stations for the good of the people and lose money. And it should not be up to the government to build charging stations on taxpayer money!
Current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit and that is because there is a demand for their product. There is a growing demand for EV charging stations so why would you not expect businesses to make a profit off those as well?

Government spends tax money on things that benefit groups of taxpayers all the time. Think schools, sports stadiums, mass transit, airports, even early highways. Spending taxpayer money to help build (I don't think the govt is building themselves) the infrastructure to support EVs benefits the growing number of taxpayers driving EVs. They benefit, I don't, just like some benefit from spending tax money on schools while I don't.

BrianL99 06-23-2025 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2440888)
It looks like this person is buying (or bought?)a hotel in a particularly tricky location. Presumably the building is getting power now (?) but they want more. Which definitely means EV's are a hard NO forever and ever. It's obvious logic.

Joe

Yeah, very tricky.

Located ON a major Interstate highway, with frontage on another state highway. In a business district, in the 9th richest SMSA in the United States.

BrianL99 06-23-2025 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by goneil2024 (Post 2440916)
If a developer spent over $40 million for a 200 key, 5.3 acre site in a swanky suburb of Boston, (take for example Brookline), I would expect that their acquisition team would anticipated development costs, the projected DCF and CAP Expenses to deliver on a hurdle rate that offer viable returns to the investor. In that area for example 1BR Condos sell for $500k and more with 2BR at $800k or more x 300 = $240M overall, and as MA is very 'green' one would think that there are a number of incentives being offered to upgrade and convert the property, with energy/electric costs being simply one of them.
Your numbers and assumptions aren't close.

rsmurano 06-23-2025 09:23 AM
We are decades away from having our infrastructure ready for EV’s as well as we are decades away from having EV’s equal to he convenience of internal combustion engines.
When I can fill up an EV in the same time as filling up a normal car, have as many charging stations as gas stations, the true miles an EV can go on 1 charge compared to a full tank of gas, and no wait lines at charging stations.

We should stop subsidizing the purchase of an EV at the same time have a tax on each EV based on the miles they drive to help pay for roads. Gas cars pay tax at the pump for road maintenance while the EV pays not road tax, we need to change that

merrymini 06-23-2025 09:43 AM
I just bought an S and love it but I think Toyota is right when it says that hybrids are the way to go. I have owned three Prius cars and would have bought another if I could get my hands on one. A Prius is getting 55 miles to the gallon. I settled for a Camry, hybrid getting 44 miles to the gallon and very happy with it. EV’s will find their place in the market when the market says it wants them. When they speak, people will listen and accommodate them with charging stations. I think battery innovation will eventually break the ice on that.

Pennyt 06-23-2025 09:52 AM
SECO already offers an incentive to charge your EV between midnight and 6am. As far as the grid is concerned, people were talking about over accessing the electrical grid when people first started putting in central air conditioning. The grid power was increased over time and no one lost power to their homes or businesses. We have an EV and love it. We charge it in our garage and don't have to worry about gas prices. Our car makes hardly any noise and there is no smelly exhaust.

BrianL99 06-23-2025 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2440939)
I think Toyota is right when it says that hybrids are the way to go.
If anyone doubts the Toyota is the premier automobile manufacturer in the world, they haven't been paying attention.

Toyota has been saying for years, they won't jump on the EV bandwagon, because Hybrids are the logical evolution in automobiles.

Toyota has been kicking the butts of every other auto manufacturer for 30+ years and the trend continues.

You'd think the other manufacturers would have figured it out by now, but other than trying to copy Toyota/Lexus move to "big fat front grills", they seem content to allow Toyota to kick their butt.

biker1 06-23-2025 10:33 AM
Not exactly. Most of the states have an EV registration fee to cover the lost gas tax revenue. I’m sure all of the states will have one in the not too distant future. Many of your other assertions are not valid. For example, regarding the number of charging stations in the US, every garage is a recharging station. Third party recharging stations, such as Tesla, Electrify America, etc. are being built out as EV numbers increase.

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2440933)
We are decades away from having our infrastructure ready for EV’s as well as we are decades away from having EV’s equal to he convenience of internal combustion engines.
When I can fill up an EV in the same time as filling up a normal car, have as many charging stations as gas stations, the true miles an EV can go on 1 charge compared to a full tank of gas, and no wait lines at charging stations.

We should stop subsidizing the purchase of an EV at the same time have a tax on each EV based on the miles they drive to help pay for roads. Gas cars pay tax at the pump for road maintenance while the EV pays not road tax, we need to change that

biker1 06-23-2025 10:53 AM
As far as I can tell, SECO hasn’t gone to varying rates based on time. Can you provide a link to the incentives?

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Originally Posted by Pennyt (Post 2440943)
SECO already offers an incentive to charge your EV between midnight and 6am. As far as the grid is concerned, people were talking about over accessing the electrical grid when people first started putting in central air conditioning. The grid power was increased over time and no one lost power to their homes or businesses. We have an EV and love it. We charge it in our garage and don't have to worry about gas prices. Our car makes hardly any noise and there is no smelly exhaust.

Fastskiguy 06-23-2025 12:09 PM
You get 7 bucks a month by charging midnight to 6am. So that’s how much they are worried about when you charge your ev.

Fastskiguy 06-23-2025 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2440933)
We are decades away from having our infrastructure ready for EV’s as well as we are decades away from having EV’s equal to he convenience of internal combustion engines.
When I can fill up an EV in the same time as filling up a normal car, have as many charging stations as gas stations, the true miles an EV can go on 1 charge compared to a full tank of gas, and no wait lines at charging stations.

We should stop subsidizing the purchase of an EV at the same time have a tax on each EV based on the miles they drive to help pay for roads. Gas cars pay tax at the pump for road maintenance while the EV pays not road tax, we need to change that
I literally spend no time charging my car ever. Now I’m lucky and have a garage. If you are parking on the street then it’s a little different.

Joe

jimjamuser 06-23-2025 12:43 PM
There are many reasons why electrical vehicles will begin replacing Internal Combustion Engines. 1) Judging by today's news, we can see oil and gasoline prices going UP. 2) The US gets a lot of electricity from river dams, wind generators, and solar panels. 3) Nuclear Energy power plants are getting smaller and safer. Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) can produce from 5 to 400 Mega Watts of electricity. They are factory produced and can be transported to any area. They have INCREASED SAFETY FEATURES. Their small size alone helps make they safe. Right now their only disadvantage is the public's fear of nuclear energy. In the future they will keep getting smaller to the point that each home may have their own unit. 4) Battery technology is improving with things like solid state batteries and better safety and more range. 5) The EV has fewer parts than an ICE vehicle and eventually will cost less and be more reliable. 6) Electric vehicles use will improve the air quality and restore ocean reefs. More fish protein will be available for future generations. 7) Oil can be used for pharmacy products which could bring down prescription costs. 8) The US will be less dependent on Middle East oil, which is a dangerous part of the world.

Topspinmo 06-23-2025 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2440870)
Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize. I sometimes wonder if that’s due to the average age of congress members. Older ways of thinking wanting to take us back to “good ole days” instead of moving forward.

Yes, I own an EV and love it. I didn’t buy it “to save the planet”. I bought it because I like the lifestyle…no more oil changes/maintenance, no more needing to always go gas up, better technology. The first time my new EV needs to go to the dealership for maintenance is in its 3rd year and it’s just to run diagnostics. I like that. I also like that BMW has batteries that have individual cells, so if at any time in the future there are battery issues, you don’t replace an entire battery but only those cells that are faulty (80 cells). Much lower cost replacing individual cells. The US will be prepared when our government decides it wants to join countries with advanced infrastructure instead of old technologies. I’m sure young people will be pushing us into the future with many kicking and screaming.
‘like Dubai‘ LOL about size of New Jersey half population and filthy rich with oil money which they are investing in rich play grounds when oil runs out. No way compare them to USA.

BrianL99 06-23-2025 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2440982)
. More fish protein will be available for future generations.
It's about time someone considered the Fish Protein issue.

Somehow, I suspected who it would be 😂


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