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graciegirl 07-16-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 709194)
I guess anonymity causes us to forget our manners and these are real people to whom we are responding.

Very true.

Suzi 07-16-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzi (Post 708946)
Can you explain to me why he is referred by the press or media to as: Travon or "a child" (endearing). George Zimmerman, on the other hand, is referred to as: a racist, a white hispanic or Zimmerman. So much is said without being spoken.

The thrust of my post was that Travon is called by his first name or a child. Zimmerman is NEVER called by his first name - only derogatory names or his last name.

Golfingnut 07-16-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 709193)
Wow! That is a first! I have never been called macho before. Also have never been accused of not having enough heart and soul. My op was to indicate that both cases are very sad. How is that not having enough heart and soul?

Attempting to compare murder of a young man to abortion is a stretch and insensitive to mothers of both categories. Please go back and read the other three examples.

perrjojo 07-16-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 709233)
Attempting to compare murder of a young man to abortion is a stretch and insensitive to mothers of both categories. Please go back and read the other three examples.

Perhaps it a stretch to you but not to me. I respect your opinion as you should mine. I have not said I am right and you are wrong nor have I made reference to what kind of person you are because I don't know, just as you don't know me. I have not tried to change your mind or insist your mind needs to be changed.

I wish we (all of us on TOTV) could express thoughts and ideas without having to be right or wrong. I wish we could express thoughts without having to convince someone we are right and they are wrong.

I wish we did not judge people that we do not know...not just on this forum but in other areas of our life as well.

So, your points are well taken.

Golfingnut 07-17-2013 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 709247)
Perhaps it a stretch to you but not to me. I respect your opinion as you should mine. I have not said I am right and you are wrong nor have I made reference to what kind of person you are because I don't know, just as you don't know me. I have not tried to change your mind or insist your mind needs to be changed.

I wish we (all of us on TOTV) could express thoughts and ideas without having to be right or wrong. I wish we could express thoughts without having to convince someone we are right and they are wrong.

I wish we did not judge people that we do not know...not just on this forum but in other areas of our life as well.

So, your points are well taken.

When I voice my opinion about your opinion, I am not judging you, just stating a differing view. If you support the opinion of the pro life movement, that is judging. My position is that if they are wrong to abort a fetus, they will be judged in the end, but we do not have the right to judge them. I respect the right of anyone to believe abortion is murder, but I also respect the right of woman to decide on that issue for themselves without interference of any kind from radical fringe groups. Referring to them as murders is a judgement and not simply an opinion. If one believes a murder is about to happen or has been committed, it is the responsibility of all of us to contact the police and report it.
The police will inform you that is not against the law, and murder is against the law in all 50 states. So, in closing, Ido respect your opinion, please respect mine. Amen...

graciegirl 07-17-2013 07:10 AM

We aren't making things better by speaking so harshly. I think fringe groups in this instance is an incorrect term. I am a person who would find it very hard if not impossible to have an abortion but support the right to choose because there are instances that make having an abortion necessary, at least to me.

I am talking of rape, incest, medical situations and extreme poverty and inability of the mother to handle the pregnancy emotionally, mentally or physically.

I think responsible people think long and hard about these issues and some have decided that to them it is unethical. They have a right to their beliefs just as I have a right to mine. I don't think of them as fringe groups unless they are trying to blow up abortion clinics.

We have to have laws and either respect them or work to change them. Belittling others for their very sincere beliefs is not going to make things better.

Golfingnut 07-17-2013 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 709522)
We aren't making things better by speaking so harshly. I think fringe groups in this instance is an incorrect term. I am a person who would find it very hard if not impossible to have an abortion but support the right to choose because there are instances that make having an abortion necessary, at least to me.

I am talking of rape, incest, medical situations and extreme poverty and inability of the mother to handle the pregnancy emotionally, mentally or physically.

I think responsible people think long and hard about these issues and some have decided that to them it is unethical. They have a right to their beliefs just as I have a right to mine. I don't think of them as fringe groups unless they are trying to blow up abortion clinics.

We have to have laws and either respect them or work to change them. Belittling others for their very sincere beliefs is not going to make things better.

Let me see if I understand you right. You are OK with abortion at least under certain circumstances. I AGREE. Yet you would not consider a person as on the fringe of normal if they referred to a woman as a murderer for having an abortion. There, I would disagree with you. I would call them antagonistic and foolish. If they would physically act on that view, I would call them terrorists. I love the fact that you and I agree most of the time.


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