[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

They are trying to blame it on bad weather but other airlines did not have large numbers of cancellations.

The disparity between Southwest’s operation and other airlines fueled speculation on social media that employees were calling out sick, with some suggesting it was in protest of a Covid vaccine mandate. Southwest said that was not the cause of the mass flight cancellations.

Southwest Airlines cancels 1,800 flights, blaming weather and staffing

Appatrently the pilots are unhappy with the vax mandate but can't say so officially through their union because such a walkout would be illegal. This could easily spread to other airlines, I wouldn't want to be booked on flights right now.

This is PRECISELY why this is happening. The Southwest pilots are protesting the vaccine mandate (not the vaccine). In my opinion mainstream media is frantic to keep this from being well-known (organized resistance and all that) but the Internet has numerous pictures of Southwest Airlines airplanes parked and flying the "Don't Tread On Me" flag. Rumor has it as well this will (perhaps already has) include other airlines as well.

Kudos to those brave men and women. We have been sheep long enough.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I do not know the full facts regarding S.W. Airlines problems, but the fact I do know is, the OP has only ever posted threads that are guaranteed to turn political, and stir up the same old anti-vaccine argument.
He is an Agent Provocateur of the first order!

I'd flag this post but it is too ridiculous to make diasappear.

I have had Moderna shots 1 & 2 eight months ago, and a third shot a few weeks ago so explain to the class how I am anti vax.

I think the vaccine MANDATES are silly and ill advised. Forcing people to inject something they may not need is wrong. They could be one of 100 million who have stronger immunity than the vaccinated because they survived covid allready. Or maybe they are not old and obese or immunocompromised and just don't fear this virus all that much. Besides if 25% of current cases are breakthrough cases, why would you feel safer on a plane if all are vaccinated?

[SkBlogW]

Southwest said the airline was working to return flight operations to normal as it dealt with a backlog of passengers from more than 2,000 canceled flights and thousands more that were delayed since Friday. The airline on Monday canceled 363 flights - about 10 percent of scheduled departures - while more than 1,300 were delayed, according to flight-tracking site FlightAware.

The disruptions inconvenienced, angered and stranded tens of thousands of passengers. The cancellations and delays Monday at the nation's fourth-largest domestic carrier were a costly extension of disruptions that stressed travel during the long holiday weekend.

These "planned cutbacks" are really fun!

[nick demis]

A pilot was interviewed and said his present job is more stressful than when he was a fighter pilot. What does that say about the current situation? PS anyone that believes that the cancellations was due to weather, I have a bridge in NY for sale.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I do not know the full facts regarding S.W. Airlines problems, but the fact I do know is, the OP has only ever posted threads that are guaranteed to turn political, and stir up the same old anti-vaccine argument.
He is an Agent Provocateur of the first order!

Oh.....the........irony...

An article was written in May of 2017 entitled “The Prison of Two Ideas”. I am not going to link it here as it covers political beliefs (easy Google search if you want to read it) but basically it says that you are either for or against a position. Many have come to believe that for every issue, there are only two possible positions, for which this thread has perfect examples, i.e. if you are anti mandate, then you are anti vaccine. In my opinion, based upon the content of threads I have read, this “prison” usually is built when emotion is involved and not facts supported by data. For example, is there proof that people who are anti-mandate are all anti vaccine? There is not, but there is proof that people support the vaccine and have had the vaccine, but are anti-mandate.

“My way or the highway” doesn’t leave much room for discourse, unless that is the objective.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Mandates don't require that you fly Southwest Airlines.

Mandates don't require that you work for Southwest Airlines.

Both of those are optional. You can find some other method of transportation, and you can work for a different employer - or start your own business if you'd rather.

You can also get your surgery at a hospital that doesn't require you to be vaccinated. You can shop at a different supermarket that doesn't require you to be vaccinated.

Lots and lots of options. In fact, this is about as "pro-choice" as it gets. Previously, you didn't have a choice. You didn't have the option of flying on a plane where everyone was vaccinated. Now you do.

Choice is good.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Mandates don't require that you fly Southwest Airlines.

Mandates don't require that you work for Southwest Airlines.

Both of those are optional. You can find some other method of transportation, and you can work for a different employer - or start your own business if you'd rather.

You can also get your surgery at a hospital that doesn't require you to be vaccinated. You can shop at a different supermarket that doesn't require you to be vaccinated.

Lots and lots of options. In fact, this is about as "pro-choice" as it gets. Previously, you didn't have a choice. You didn't have the option of flying on a plane where everyone was vaccinated. Now you do.

Choice is good.

I don't believe any domestic airline has mandatory vaccinations for passengers at this time. But no worries, Senator Feinstein is on it,

“Today I introduced legislation requiring passengers on domestic flights to be vaccinated, test negative or be fully recovered from a previous Covid illness.”

Hey look, she snuck "fully recovered" in there. That may tick off the mandatory vaxers. Personally, I would rather share a flight with 100% covid suvivors, but they would probably refuse me as I might be an asymptomatic carrier.

All these new rules are going to make air travel even more fun. Instead of getting to the airport 2-3 hours early it may be 5-6. Trains will be faster.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Mandates don't require that you fly Southwest Airlines.

Mandates don't require that you work for Southwest Airlines.

Both of those are optional. You can find some other method of transportation, and you can work for a different employer - or start your own business if you'd rather.

You can also get your surgery at a hospital that doesn't require you to be vaccinated. You can shop at a different supermarket that doesn't require you to be vaccinated.

Lots and lots of options. In fact, this is about as "pro-choice" as it gets. Previously, you didn't have a choice. You didn't have the option of flying on a plane where everyone was vaccinated. Now you do.

Choice is good.

How does “my body, my choice” sound? Or does that only apply to the segment of the population that “coined” the phrase, and only in a specific circumstance?

And how does one work for another company if that company is also under the direction of the mandate by virtue of having 100 or more employees? Well there you go, just work for a company with less than 100 employees and the mandate doesn’t apply. Wait, what? Yep, the rule proposal under OSHA doesn’t cover those businesses. If the mandate doesn’t apply to those companies, then maybe Covid is not the killer it is made out to be (which the data ACTUALLY SHOWS). Or maybe, since OSHA rules don’t apply to smaller companies, a work around to avoid judicial review hasn’t been identified yet.

Since “choice is good”, perhaps those who are vaccinated and wearing masks but still fear the virus should consider their choices such as double and triple masking if one doesn’t feel safe enough. They could also choose to get a booster as often as they feel their antibodies are declining. How could they tell? Simple, get tested every week and keep a log of the results.

BTW, I do support businesses making decisions based upon their determination of what will work best for them. I can then decide if I wish to work for or patronize that business. How likely would it be that an airline would require an employee to get a vaccination or lose their job in a vacuum? Highly unlikely that they would provide their competitors with the option to pick up already trained personnel to fill their openings.

Unfortunately the “fear porn” has been successful and people’s emotions are getting the better of them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have nothing to fear. I've been exposed, and I've been fully vaccinated, and I still wear a mask inside stores and medical buildings when I have an appointment. I'm also not at risk. But this isn't about me. It's about what's right for civilization, humanity, loving thy neighbor, giving a crap about your fellow human being.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I have nothing to fear. I've been exposed, and I've been fully vaccinated, and I still wear a mask inside stores and medical buildings when I have an appointment. I'm also not at risk. But this isn't about me. It's about what's right for civilization, humanity, loving thy neighbor, giving a crap about your fellow human being.

First, I am sorry to hear you were exposed, but am glad to hear that you are vaccinated, wear a mask, and don't feel you are at risk.

Wow-doing what is right for civilization and humanity! You would think that Covid was as deadly as a hemorrhagic fever such as Ebola or Marburg. So let's go to the data and take a look, perhaps I wasn't aware of how deadly Covid is.....

First, let's look at the current population clock to see about how many people live on this planet, and we will see at the time of my writing this post: 7, 795,546,137 (and climbing)

Let's now look at the world wide number of coronavirus cases, deaths, and recoveries and we see:

Total cases: 239,303,783
Total deaths: 4,877,149
Total recoveries: 216,566,048

So for the worldwide population, it looks like 3% of the population experienced a case of Covid, 0.063% of the worldwide population has died from Covid, and 90.5% of the worldwide population (10/13 correction: should indicate “of the total cases”, not “of the worldwide population”) has RECOVERED from Covid.

Thank you for proving my earlier point, to wit:

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

..........Unfortunately the “fear porn” has been successful and people’s emotions are getting the better of them.

[mike234]

this is an absolute protest on vaccine mandate. it doesn't take a genius to figure this out. this country is coming to a screaming halt, and the media will not report on it. nothing to see here.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm a bit confused by news "reporting" of this, and the surprise of people learning about this. Southwest Airlines announced back in November 2020 that they were going to be doing a bunch of layoffs and changing their schedules around. They announced it again in December.

In August of this year (2 months ago) they announced they'd be cutting flights and laying off more people through November 5.

It was an announced thing, it's not a "gotcha" situation, conspiracy, or coverup at all.

Southwest Airlines' pilot union sued the company last week, before staffing shortages led to the cancellation of more than 2,000 flights over the weekend (and more on Monday).

Seattle PD May Lose 40% Of Officers Over Covid-19 Vaccine Mandate - Invesbrain

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

You do understand that there are probably over 100 million Americans who have survived covid and have stronger and longer immunity than the fully vaccinated right?

I'd rather get on a plane with 100% verified covid survivors than fully vaccinated people. The CDC measured breakthrough cases in Los Angeles and 25% of all cases were breakthroughs of fully vaccinated people. I don't like those odds in an aluminum tube packed cheek to jowl with potential carriers.

Wrong. Vaccinated people have far more immunity than infection survivors. The data on this is clear and it's not even close.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Wrong. Vaccinated people have far more immunity than infection survivors. The data on this is clear and it's not even close.

You're wrong. That's not true at all, hence the need for boosters. Besides, the so-called immunity given is just for S-specific antibodies, meaning for one kind of spike protein only. Natural immunity acquired after an infection is broad and more long-lived.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

So let's go to the data and take a look, perhaps I wasn't aware of how deadly Covid is.....


current population : 7, 795,546,137 (and climbing)

world wide number of coronavirus cases, deaths, and recoveries

Total cases: 239,303,783
Total deaths: 4,877,149
Total recoveries: 216,566,048

So for the worldwide population, it looks like 3% of the population experienced a case of Covid, 0.063% of the worldwide population has died from Covid, and 90.5% of the worldwide population has RECOVERED from Covid.

Thank you for proving my earlier point, to wit:

If you are going to come here and claim special wisdom at understanding math and numbers, please do me the favor of getting the math right. I'll leave you to find the completely ridiculous figure you calculated with such certainty. As my elementary school teacher said, "Check your work"