Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2338467)

Ok.... If these kids parents are any indication of what a valued education is supposed to look like.....with that type of commentary....obviously not much!

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2338478)

Other than the empirical measure of SAT ?

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2338478)

Other than the empirical measure of SAT ?

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2338327)

My point is/was D1 sports brings in more REVENUE than the academic departments that I listed.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2338493)

Here is what you wrote :

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That is what you wrote but nice job trying to backtrack. An economic engine is not something that runs in the red. Buildings obviously don't produce revenue. If you wish to discuss whether D1 Sci/Tech and Biology departments produce income and actual profit for those D1 schools we can do that. I will concede that the buildings don't.

The overwhelming majority of D1 schools are state schools so trying to make some tangential argument that OSU is a state school is meaningless.

Analysis: Who is winning in the high-revenue world of college sports? | PBS NewsHour
"In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues"

An economic engine is not something that loses money. As far as what departments bring in the most revenue... if that is your criteria for being an economic engine, sports is a tiny fraction of the income compared with health care delivery.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2338500)

No backtracking.....doubling down. Again, other than the taxpayer.....at what i’ll concede is the larger, successful, state D1 programs. If you want to go down every other line item for every other academic dept as to receipts, awards, or finds....that’s for another thread. The ‘economic engine’ is not just the revenue discussed but the undisclosed and untold millions that those events, tv deals and exposure do for the universities as a whole. You don’t get it....right or wrong on priority, they’re not spending millions to see a Lego project or a lava volcano project. They’re renting cars, eating at restaurants and buying tickets to games that national media wants to cover. By doing so, at least on that Saturday, your campus is the center of the universe to millions. Everybody benefits. You may not like it....but it’s a fact!

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2338143)

Now we are going to pay High School kids to play sports. Most States, including Florida, will allow High School athletes to get paid for “their name, image and likeness”. Professional players can make as much as 700 million playing baseball. Some get over 100 million for batting 250/260. 400 million if you are a reasonable good golfer and play for LIV. College level sports will allow you to get payed and the best players are gravitating to the Big Conferences with the best players. The Olympics, the epitome of amateur sports, are professionals now. Well, I could go on but you get the picture. Is a “sports bubble” being created? Are sports more important than education?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2338504)

I'm not going to get in the middle of this debate, however, I would like to point out that the physics departments of major universities might be studying supersymmetry, M string theory or loop quantum gravity but not playing with Legos or lava volcano models.

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2338487)

You like to cherry pick posts....instead of posting in its entirety so all can see context. It’s an epidemic on this forum

My ‘quote’ was referring to and in the context of ignorant parents making comments about parenting habits of private school parents vs public school parents.

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2338540)

Being identified as ignorant puts me in good company

Originally Posted by crilemd (Post 2338532)

ABSOLUTELY TRUE....WAS THE SAME IN MY MEDICAL SCHOOL...CLASS OF '60...
IT WILL ONLY WORSEN...
Crile Doscher MD

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2338560)

The really, REALLY sad part is that there is so much more complexity and material to master now than in my class of 1984, which in turn was probably much more than in 1960. We need smarter, not dumber candidates, judged by qualifications and NOT demographics.

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2338143)

Now we are going to pay High School kids to play sports. Most States, including Florida, will allow High School athletes to get paid for “their name, image and likeness”. Professional players can make as much as 700 million playing baseball. Some get over 100 million for batting 250/260. 400 million if you are a reasonable good golfer and play for LIV. College level sports will allow you to get payed and the best players are gravitating to the Big Conferences with the best players. The Olympics, the epitome of amateur sports, are professionals now. Well, I could go on but you get the picture. Is a “sports bubble” being created? Are sports more important than education?