This was not murder. He didn't make those people park illegally in a handicap space. He didn't make the pusher commit a violent crime by throwing him to the ground. All he did in this incident was to exercise his freedom of speech and defend himself from a violent attack. The dead man would be alive today if he had just obeyed the law and acted in a civilized and proper manner. Most good people would have never done what he did. He suffered the consequences for his antisocial and illegal behaviour.

I would like to hear from a concealed weapons instructor or a personal self defense instructor what their assessment is based solely on FACTS available.

All the rest of us are merely presenting how we see it as affected by our demeanor/life style/belief/opinion/prejudice/et al.

Where is the emotional, special interests comments/rage regarding and unarmed person being shot and killed!!!!!

This case will be debated for a long time, much like the Zimmerman case. Opinions will certainly vary. Here is how I look at it. Three people who are willing to do what most of us are not willing to do came together at the same time in the same place. This is the result. If any of the three had acted differently, a shooting would not have occurred.

Who is to blame? Who is responsible? Who did something wrong? Who was more wrong than the other? Should the law be changed? Well, that will be the debate.

I made up my mind as soon as I saw the video.

If charges are brought I will donate to the shooter's defense fund.

If you carry a firearm you better know the laws and fully understand the consequences of shooting someone. If your life is threatened you have the right to protect yourself. Being pushed to the ground is a slippery slope.

Playing it again on ABC News this morning.

Must be a slow news day.

Life taking decisions are so simple as we sit in front of our desk tops!!
No involvement....no participation....no personal investment....in deciding when or whether it is OK to take a human life.

Watch the video....again....

Victim's girlfriend says Florida gunman provoked fatal 'stand your ground' shooting - ABC News

Listen to all the info available.

I agree with you. You should never use a gun unless you realize fully the profound changes in the lives of the family of this person you are aiming a lethal weapon at.

This man was itching to use his weapon just for the sake of using it.

He murdered someone. Whether that was justified should depend on a jury of his peers .

When the indignant entitled passenger was confronted, she said they were allowed to park anywhere they wanted to... Didn't matter that the space was designated for Handicapped.

Sounds very much like many villages residents act/behave!!
No impact on the decision to shoot an unarmed man!

Bottom Line is. If he had obeyed the law and not parked in the handicapped spot would we be having this conversation. This is just one mans opinion!

Not true
 

Funny that is not how it was reported in the Tampa paper when it happened..... quote was that "the lot was full and they were only going to be there a couple of minutes". How does this stuff get so blown out of proportion.......

Fer cripes sake...seriously? :oops:


Illegal handicap parking, is now fair game for gun carrying 'hero wannabe's'...to kill someone? :ohdear:

This is a absurdly STUPID law. Period. Can you spell Zimmerman?

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Didn't realize how many States.

Excuse me? I didn't say it was fair game all I said was if the man had obeyed the sign we wouldn"t be having this conversation

From what I have read so far, the girlfriend driver parked in a handicap spot although other spaces were open. She lied stating the lot was otherwise full which it was not as shown by surveillance video. Then she laughably said she did not do anything wrong when of course she had. The elderly gentleman was apparently admonishing her for her wrongdoing perhaps asking her to move her car to one of the open parking spaces so the spot could be used by a handicapped person when her boyfriend came at the man and blindsidedly violently shoved him to the ground without warning. If I were that man I might have felt sufficiently threatened to shoot the physically threatening thug who had already suddenly violently attacked me in self defense myself.

BTW I wonder if the violent shover had a criminal history.

I have never seen escalation end well.

47 year old white man = "elderly gentleman."

Young black male = "thug."


THAT...says it all. :oops:


Is there really anyone who is still confused on why...NFL players are taking a knee? :ohdear:

I believe you when you say that... "I might have felt sufficiently threatened to shoot..."

A quick search................

Records show Drejka does not have a criminal history in Florida. McGlockton’s history included a drug conviction in 2010 and an arrest for aggravated battery a decade ago, records show, but the charge was dropped.

The shover established his thugness with his behavior, the unexpected sudden violent push to the ground, not his skin color.

As for The National Felon League? Look at the extensive criminal histories of so many of the players.

So the shooter was only 47, 19 years older than his 28 year old attacker but not elderly. He was of smaller stature and slighter build and suddenly violently pushed to the ground unexpectedly. McGlockton could have come up, verbally addressed the man to move along and if the man did not move perhaps taken the man by his elbow and ushered him away. But he obviously did not. He suddenly and unexpectedly violently physically attacked him.

Very sad for his three illegitimate children with his lying girlfriend.

I really can't understand how this murder can be justified. Since the killer had a gun and and felt threatened as you state, why didn't he just pull out the gun and tell the guy to take off? It's very sad to read that the victim was a young father of three. Yes, he should have just gotten in his car and left the scene instead of engaging in a shove-match with the 40 something year-old shooter. However, he did not deserve to die for that imo. That stand your ground law has got to go!

It is just the stupid application of it is this case. Look at some of the responses from people who actually have concealed weapon permits on here.

Maybe, the prosecutor will do the right thing and charge this shooter. That does not look like self defense to me.

I imagine that is what the prosecutor will do.

It would not have happened if everyone behaved well and minded their own business. We are not in charge of running the world, none of us, even if the girl was annoyingly selfish when she parked in handicap.

Now someone is dead. I believe in the validity of the second amendment and don't want it messed up if ever times change here and I may think we should have a gun at our house.

The nasty attitude of some of the posters on this thread make me want to find a billy club and bop a few people. My grandmother said to never have a gun at your home, because the best and kindest people in this world have a point that they could kill someone who does not deserve to be killed.

Self-defense (United States - Wikipedia)

Prejudice against age is bigotry. Prejudging ANY group of people is short sighted. The kind of hate we dispense usually comes back to us. We all get old and most of us gain wisdom during the trip. Most of us.

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The data are in: Young people are definitely less racist than old people — Quartz


Facts matter. :wave:

That may be true, but Drejka has a history of starting trouble when he can’t spot HCP plates. I hope he’s charged.

I think also another reason is that most of us would walk away from a confrontation. You never know how the other person is going to respond, what his or her rage level is, whether or not he's carrying a weapon.


Just walk away. Console yourself with the fact that karma will get him.


But then, most of us... don't park in a handicapped spot if we don't have the legal means to do so. It was bad, but not worth dying for.

Exactly.

Yep.



If he isn't charged, I believe it will just embolden...more vigilantism and 'hero wannabe's.' :ohdear:

Many of you posting has forgot who is the VICTIM is in this case. It is not the dead man it is the man who stopped the threat on his life. That is what the law is telling you here and part of the reason he was not and will not be charged. If a person breaks into your home and you kill them to save your life, the dead man would be called the culprit . Don't make this case complicated... The man on the ground felt his life was in danger... The law does not state your accused has to be armed with a gun or a hammer or a rock etc... I wil make an educated guess that posters here that are opposed to concealed carry or 2nd Amend. Will have the
Victim as wrong. Just remember in these crimes who is/was the VICTIM.

thats why a lot of these people get away with doing whatever they want, whenever they want.

a person is talking really loud on a phone on a bus, you ask him/her to tone it down he/she gets in your face and says he/she is gonna kick your ass...

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The guy is 47, I believe.