So, can read book, memorize, and take test. I hope that not the ONLY skill high IQ'ers have?

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I used that argument/excuse in High School. Didn't work then and colleges don't support that "logic".

I think not, sir.

Minnesota has a very good public educational system as well as private.

That is Northrup Hall at the U of MN in the picture where I and the other U of MN Law Graduates went through the graduation process and they often have concerts there.

Like some of the previous posters I find the data to be almost worthless. States with a participation rate of 4 and 5% obviously had a very small motivated/elite group taking the test. Those with 95 to 100% rate had to include the low performers in high school. The data would be more relevant if they included the results of the ACT as well. I noticed that many of the states with poor performance at the high school level had 1) a low percentage of participation and 2) high relative scores.


In my opinion - write this one off as a flawed study.

And this is exactly why the whole article proves nothing. If only the smartest kids in Minnesota, say the top 3%, took the SAT then of course they would have the better average score than Delaware, where everyone took the test and the poorer scores brought down the average.

In the Midwest more kids take the ACT. For 2017 ACT results, of the states with 100% participation, Minnesota scores the highest, Colorado second and Wisconsin third. Because I have had three children take this test in the last 9 years, I can say the Wisconsin average has dropped since 100% participation is required.

And we lost the right to bargain our contracts in Wisconsin during Act 10 in 2011.. and many, many qualified and talented teachers left the profession...and rightfully so!

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As pointed out, this list makes it clear which states encourage participation. A more interesting list would be the number of perfect scores in each state.

Though what the SAT tests for correlates with what the IQ tests look for, they don’t overlap completely. That’s why one may do better on one or the other.

a good read but there is a sale's pitch at the end
Converting Your SAT Score to an IQ Score | Veritas Prep

THIS:

The mean score on the math section of the SAT for all test-takers is 511 out of 800, the average scores for blacks (428) and Latinos (457) are significantly below those of whites (534) and Asians (598). ... Race gaps on the SATs are especially pronounced at the tails of the distribution

I don't understand how states can have participation rates so low. Don't kids still need this to get into college ? I would love to find a way to normalize this data and then compare it to how much each state spends per pupil

One needs to know more than the participation percentage rate to understand the measure.

For example an area could have a 50% participation rate....big impressive number....until we learn there were only 4 people in the group measured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Percentages are and can be misleading....with no other input.