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Old 05-29-2018, 10:47 AM
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Steve Lopez of the Los Angeles Times wrote a May 26, 2018 article entitled: "Stockton's young mayor has bold turnaround plan: Basic income and stipends for potential shooters" (link here)

"Stockton is about to award stipends of up to $1,000 a month to residents deemed most likely to shoot somebody. This program is called Advance Peace, and it's modeled after a crime reduction program in the Bay Area city of Richmond.

The idea is that a small number of people are responsible for a large percentage of violence, and offering them an alternative path — with counseling and case management over an 18-month period, along with a stipend if they stay the course — can be a good investment all around
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The article covers not just providing this stipend to the identified shooters, but to then expand it as a stipend to other Stockton residents.

So, they have identified criminals (how else would they know these people are responsible for violence?) and intend to, in effect, pay them non-requested extortion money to not commit a violent crime? Forget the counseling and case management, how will they know that the offender did not commit a violent crime anyway? Are they going to keep paying until the person is arrested? And what do they actually expect to happen after 18 months, that these criminals will now be honest tax paying members of society? Really?

What a sad testament to society that this is actually being considered. Our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.
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We already pay for their defense, room and board, sometimes for life. If we can change a few of them, sounds like a good (cheaper) program to me.



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Another stupid decision from th looney state
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If they are so easy to identify that we can pay them, shouldn't we be able to stop them? Seems to me every time it happens it's someone who was under the radar who the police had no information about.

So my best guess is they will be paying the wrong people. What a great idea, paying people to not commit a crime. WOW, must be some idiot that is mayor there.
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Stockton's young mayor has bold turnaround plan: Basic income and stipends for potential shooters

This looks like an attempt to get kids out of gangs by giving them an alternative.

It is NOT about Parkland type sociopathes who shoot up schools.
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There is one line in the original post that says a lot!
“The idea is that a small number of people are responsible for a large percentage of violence”
Responsible people who are in the vast majority are already paying millions per year,
because of the laws created to supposedly deal with the few!
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Folks need to actually read the article.

I personally wouldn't be for it, even if it is only...an 18 month pilot program.

I found this really interesting though.

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"Exciting" is not the way everyone describes the program.

"You've got to be kidding," Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor and vice presidential running mate, tweeted last month.

But Tubbs responded with a Twitter touche.

"Actually modeled after the Alaska Permanent Fund," he wrote. "Are you familiar with it?"

The Alaska fund shares the wealth on state oil revenues, awarding residents roughly $2,000 a year.

The first thing you need to know about Stockton's stipend plans is that taxpayers aren't footing the bill
.

Nor will they pay for Tubbs' "Stockton Scholars" program, which will tap a $20-million grant from the California Community Foundation in an effort to triple the number of Stockton students who go to college.

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They should try this in Chicago. With 36 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend alone they should have plenty of candidates. Although this was an improvement over last year..
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How about,,, When you know who their are... SPEND JUST .05... THE END ,!!
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"Exciting" is not the way everyone describes the program.

"You've got to be kidding," Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor and vice presidential running mate, tweeted last month.

But Tubbs responded with a Twitter touche.

"Actually modeled after the Alaska Permanent Fund," he wrote. "Are you familiar with it?"

The Alaska fund shares the wealth on state oil revenues, awarding residents roughly $2,000 a year.

The first thing you need to know about Stockton's stipend plans is that taxpayers aren't footing the bill.

Nor will they pay for Tubbs' "Stockton Scholars" program, which will tap a $20-million grant from the California Community Foundation in an effort to triple the number of Stockton students who go to college.

Absolutely NOT modeled after the Alaska Permanent Fund. That is a fund set up to pay a stipend to ALL Alaska original natives (regardless of their propensity toward crime). What a load of BS spoken by a small thinker in California.
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"Exciting" is not the way everyone describes the program.

"You've got to be kidding," Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor and vice presidential running mate, tweeted last month.

But Tubbs responded with a Twitter touche.

"Actually modeled after the Alaska Permanent Fund," he wrote. "Are you familiar with it?"

The Alaska fund shares the wealth on state oil revenues, awarding residents roughly $2,000 a year.

The first thing you need to know about Stockton's stipend plans is that taxpayers aren't footing the bill.

Nor will they pay for Tubbs' "Stockton Scholars" program, which will tap a $20-million grant from the California Community Foundation in an effort to triple the number of Stockton students who go to college.

Absolutely NOT modeled after the Alaska Permanent Fund. That is a fund set up to pay a stipend to ALL Alaska original natives
Might I suggest you do a little more research on the subject...since you are dead wrong?

It is given to ANY resident (lived in the state more than 1 year) who qualifies, including children of any age...NOT just to "original natives."



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(regardless of their propensity toward crime). What a load of BS spoken by a small thinker in California.
But you know who's NOT included...and DOESN'T qualify?

Eligibility Requirements

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I was not:

Sentenced as a result of a felony conviction during 2017;
Incarcerated at any time during 2017 as the result of a felony conviction; or
Incarcerated at any time during 2017 as the result of a misdemeanor conviction in Alaska if convicted of a prior felony or two or more prior misdemeanors since January 1, 1997

Facts matter.

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Old 05-29-2018, 05:39 PM
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We’ve had governmentsl entities giving money
to people for decades for doing nothing,
and it seems it only makes the
number of people doing nothing grow.
My guess is, if the $$$ solution doesn’t address the real cause of a problem,
there will be little or no success!
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