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TomSwango 05-20-2025 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2432530)

I hate it

Rocksnap 05-20-2025 09:28 AM

Start/Stop was added by not so smart people who think they are saving the planet. Thankfully, the smart people now in charge have just ELIMINATED this requirement. In some cars, the transmission must be removed to replace the starter, which is inside the transmission. When it is normally on the outside and easily replaced. Any minuscule gas saving just went poof.

Bwanajim 05-20-2025 10:14 AM

It would really suck if you were having problems with your battery. It's OK if it doesn't start at home or at the store, but not when you're stopping at a light

Risuli 05-20-2025 10:49 AM

I wouldn't hate the "feature" if it was the owners choice to use it or disable it. My 2016 BMW has this "feature", but has a button to disable it from EVER engaging. The requirement to turn it off EVERY TIME is the problem.

If you go online you can find an adapter that plugs in to the vehicles wiring to disable the auto/stop, but they generally run around $100.

MrFlorida 05-20-2025 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2432741)
If you never use it then what gives you the idea it kills your battery and starter motor? My experience noted in post #29, the article linked in post #31, and the number of vehicles on the road with this feature indicate otherwise.

I don't use it BECAUSE it kills your starter and battery....

UpNorth 05-20-2025 12:57 PM

Stupid feature, I hate it. I shut it off if I can remember to do it. But I've learned that if you only keep a moderate pressure on the brake pedal at a stop, it won't engage. (Toyota Highlander)

Gene63 05-20-2025 03:27 PM

Hate the auto-stop feature!
 
We have a Subaru and it has that feature. Wish that I could permanently shut it off but instead, I have to cut it off each time I start the engine. I understand why they put it on, in order to save gas, but I figured it up one day that it saved me about a half of a gallon per year. That’s all well and good but it will cost a whole lot more to replace the starter when it wears out then all the gas that it saved. Not a helpful or appreciated feature!

Topspinmo 05-20-2025 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2432709)
How long is very long? 200,000 miles and six years on each of two Prius and 60,000 miles and five years on the Audi. When can I expect the failures to start?

(Not saying it can't happen, just not convinced it's a primary concern)

Even yugo can last 5 years. :boom: OK maybe I over exaggerated that one….:1rotfl:

Triker 05-20-2025 04:06 PM

Hate it!
 
Had dynamic fuel management (auto stop/start) on my 2019 Sierra Denali and it was a joke! Recently purchased a new vehicle and in the selection process I focused on only vehicles that don’t have it.

jimhoward 05-20-2025 05:13 PM

I have found it to work flawlessly in the three cars (a Mercedes a Toyota and a Hyundai). I have seen no reason to disable it.

shut the front door 05-20-2025 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2432530)

Bypassed mine with a tazer mini. Don't even have to push the button now.

MrFlorida 05-20-2025 06:40 PM

Don't cry when you have to replace your starter prematurely then.

Bill14564 05-20-2025 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2432895)
Don't cry when you have to replace your starter prematurely then.

Linkt to that happening please.

Topspinmo 05-21-2025 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2432901)
Linkt to that happening please.

Not old enough t yet only starts stop few hundred times. See what happens after few thousands times. Not to mention electronic’s .

rsmurano 05-21-2025 05:20 AM

Hate it, I turn it off every time I drive. I can get a device to permanently disable it but I’ll ask the dealer to do it on next maintenance visit.
My car at least is smart enough not to turn this off if the a/c is running.

Bill14564 05-21-2025 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2432927)
Not old enough t yet only starts stop few hundred times. See what happens after few thousands times. Not to mention electronic’s .

Post #29

PoolBrews 05-21-2025 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2432694)
Before buying this device, watch the YouTube video on how to install it. On some vehicles, you need to almost completely disassemble the interior trim. In the past, whenever I have messed with the dashboard trim, I ended up with a squeak in the vehicle.

The cable for my Buick Envista is located under the hood right in the front. Took me less than 5 minutes to lift hood, unplug existing cable, then plug the new cable in both ends.

retiredguy123 05-21-2025 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2432938)
The cable for my Buick Envista is located under the hood right in the front. Took me less than 5 minutes to lift hood, unplug existing cable, then plug the new cable in both ends.

Every vehicle is not that easy. Watch this video:

https://youtu.be/FGq25E2fRWU?si=gqtmSrpP2REyifuF

Miboater 05-21-2025 07:08 AM

My 2015 and 2018 F150's had the autostart/stop feature and I would always turn it off. My 2021 F150 was built during the microchip shortage so in order to get the truck built I had to pay $50 to delete this module. Seems strange to pay for a module that wasn't installed but I was told it was an energy credit for the automakers. It was worth the $50.

banjobob 05-21-2025 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2432530)

I personally don't like , friends car has it very disconcering .

CoachKandSportsguy 05-21-2025 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gene63 (Post 2432856)
We have a Subaru and it has that feature. Wish that I could permanently shut it off but instead, I have to cut it off each time I start the engine. I understand why they put it on, in order to save gas, but I figured it up one day that it saved me about a half of a gallon per year. That’s all well and good but it will cost a whole lot more to replace the starter when it wears out then all the gas that it saved. Not a helpful or appreciated feature!

exactly correct. . the only place its useful is in places like NYC, New Jersey or other highly urban locations, where there are lots of stop lights and stop signs, low realized speed limits, thus high idling times which creates alot of CO pollution for the area.

mostly for selling environmental feel good additions but little realized actual gains.

Everyone wants to have feel good decisions, which product marketing understands and exploits to their advantage. there is no free lunch, maybe once here or there, but never consistently

DBChris 05-21-2025 07:33 AM

I’ve had many cars with this feature, however it freaked me out when it happened on my manual transmission sports car. Now I hit the button to deactivate it on the console

retiredguy123 05-21-2025 07:38 AM

Personally, I don't think the dislike for the stop-start feature has anything to do with fuel savings, emissions, battery life, or starter life. A lot of people just don't like it because they want the vehicle to keep running until they turn it off. This feature will be doomed by popular demand.

CFrance 05-21-2025 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2432963)
Personally, I don't think the dislike for the stop-start feature has anything to do with fuel savings, emissions, battery life, or starter life. A lot of people just don't like it because they want the vehicle to keep running until they turn it off. This feature will be doomed by popular demand.

Good point. It's all about control. "I decide!"

daveczo 05-21-2025 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2432530)

I love it, works perfectly on our Buick.

BunnyA 05-21-2025 02:01 PM

Hated auto stop as well
 
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Originally Posted by Omycherie (Post 2432652)
I turn it off every time I get in the car. I hate it. I’m looking for a way to shut it off completely.

No one could have disliked it as much as me. Our new Subaru would try to restart with foot still on brake at red light and jerk the car, startling me. Twice in dealer, they said nothing they could do so I looked online and found Autostop Eliminator. My son who isn’t particularly handy was able to install after watching the video and I’m a happy camper every time I start the car now. Wish I hadn’t had to pay for an issue that dealer doesn’t recognize but it was worth it.

CFrance 05-21-2025 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BunnyA (Post 2433050)
No one could have disliked it as much as me. Our new Subaru would try to restart with foot still on brake at red light and jerk the car, startling me. Twice in dealer, they said nothing they could do so I looked online and found Autostop Eliminator. My son who isn’t particularly handy was able to install after watching the video and I’m a happy camper every time I start the car now. Wish I hadn’t had to pay for an issue that dealer doesn’t recognize but it was worth it.

There's something wrong with that, and your dealer doesn't know how to deal with it. Every car we either rented or owned in Europe for decades had the feature, and never once did that happen.

Off topic, but another feature those European cars had was that they held on a hill. Growing up in Pittsburgh (one hill after another), I would have been a really happy camper with that feature.

Bill14564 05-21-2025 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BunnyA (Post 2433050)
No one could have disliked it as much as me. Our new Subaru would try to restart with foot still on brake at red light and jerk the car, startling me. Twice in dealer, they said nothing they could do so I looked online and found Autostop Eliminator. My son who isn’t particularly handy was able to install after watching the video and I’m a happy camper every time I start the car now. Wish I hadn’t had to pay for an issue that dealer doesn’t recognize but it was worth it.

My cars will do that for three reasons:
1. With the engine stopped it is running off the battery and the battery is getting low. This was common with the hybrid.
2. The AC is on and the evaporator is getting warm so the engine needs to run to make it cooler. This is common with the Audi.
3. I don’t hold the brake down firmly enough so the car thinks I’m releasing the brake. The car often lurches a bit in this case since the brakes aren’t firmly engaged.

MorTech 05-25-2025 01:47 AM

I think the bureaucrat that mandated Auto Stop/Start (ASS) should be put in prison in El Salvador but first waterboarded at Gitmo.

Topspinmo 05-25-2025 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2432932)

So your one experience with 60K and 5 years sets standard for world? 5 years long time for most vehicle owners. Majority trade around 3 years. Why? They don’t want financial responsibility for repairs after warranty.

Bill14564 05-25-2025 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2433903)
So your one experience with 60K and 5 years sets standard for world? 5 years long time for most vehicle owners. Majority trade around 3 years. Why? They don’t want financial responsibility for repairs after warranty.

You need to follow your own argument. You asserted that within a few years this feature would result in the need for a new starter (and something about electronics). I pointed out that I have over five years and over 60,000 miles on each of three vehicles.

I'm not trying to set a standard, I am disputing that a standard exists. I can't prove that a starter will never go bad due to this system but I *can* prove that this system will not always kill a starter.

Your post and others have claimed the feature will cause starter failure. My experience alone shows that is not always the case. This thread is generally hostile to this feature yet no one has reported needing to replace their starter. In a quick search I found several articles debunking that claim and zero article supporting it.

No, my experience does not set a standard for the world, it just seems to be the common experience. Your assertion also does not set a standard for the world but can you point to anything that supports it?

CarlR33 05-25-2025 07:19 AM

Toyota Prius seemed to perfect this feature (you did not know it was working) with the hybrid. I agree, the other manufacturers missed the boat as it’s loud and annoying with the steering on some going numb with the motor off. As others have said if the YouTube video does not work for your vehicle you need to research it and most likely need an OBD reader (cost vary) to plug into the vehicle computer and an app (another cost if not free) for your phone to communicate through your vehicles computer options to disable it. I just did a similar procedure to turn off the loud inside car reverse alarm on my car.

Bwanajim 06-18-2025 08:41 PM

Just bought a Hyundai with it and I hate it. Turned it off immediately. What happens if your battery goes dead when you're at a red light?

tophcfa 06-18-2025 09:00 PM

Stop start feature? I stop considering buying a car that has it and start considering one that doesn’t.


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