Even great American companies, like Snap On Tools, do not make all of their tools in the US. Good luck buying an American made TV. At least most do not come from China

I'm pretty sure neither of those will happen. As regards bringing back jobs to the USA, a small increase in hiring is likely but it's a lot cheaper for companies to simply move to other foreign sources. Adding jobs also means building the factories needed and that requires capital. Still cheaper to find other foreign sources.

The income tax issue is interesting. here's the breakdown.
The federal government collected about $2.2 trillion in individual income taxes in Fiscal Year 2023 — half of all government revenue. U.S. imports totaled about $3.8 trillion in 2023. Therefore, a tariff rate of 58% would have been required to offset income tax revenue that year — but only if imports remained at this level.

A more realistic scenario recognizes that high tariffs would cause companies and consumers to reduce their purchases of imported goods (as these tariffs would make goods more expensive).

History confirms this: when tariffs have increased in the past, import volumes have dropped as companies and consumers reduced their purchases of imported goods. Fewer import purchases means less tariff revenue.

An analysis by the nonpartisan Peterson Institute for International Economics found that 50% tariffs would maximize revenue. Even so, this would only raise about $780 billion in tariff revenues — far less than the amount raised by the income tax.

Our government gets the tariff income. It's just another tax on Americans.

Can be temporary? Temporary is probably at least 2 years. American companies would need a huge cash investment, find and hire qualified workers, work out supply chains and logistics and hope they still can compete with slave labor countries. This has been going on after the affects of WW 2 ended and is not going to be fixed overnight

Darn straight! He should have purchased an AMERICAN made cart, like EZGO which is built in Augusta, GA. Of course, the batteries for the EZGo are made in South Korea and the charger is made in Japan and who knows where the aluminum comes from, but THAT'S RIGHT, BUY AMERICAN!

So you're okay with people who are already so poor that they don't qualify to PAY income tax, having to pay MORE for the things they can barely afford in the first place?

Women whose husbands have abandoned them with kids and no prospect for a career...

Homeless veterans who WANT to do better but are so screwed up from injuries to their bodies and minds, they just can't quite reach "normal" without help, and being helpless means they can't even understand how to seek help.

Families who have fallen on hard times because the government laid them off, or the shop closed down, or the fire burned down their home...

You're okay with forcing them to pay MORE for everything, just so you don't have to pay tax on your dividend check?

True
 

True, groceries don’t come from China, but things like backpacks, vacuum cleaners, clothing/textiles, fans, calculators and sink faucets do. In the end all the prices are forced upward to the new American made price.

The tariffs start now. The consumer will pay the tariff now. The tariff will be paid until the product is made in the US. Pick a time - No better yet define what is "made in the USA"? Assembled? A percentage of parts? Origin of raw materials?

So now let's imagine all the millions of products that were not made in USA are. You can pick a date. We are told unemployment is at 4%. How many people will it require to staff all these new ventures? We can't find enough people to fill the wait staff at restaurants right now. When unemployment hits rock bottom the employee can dictate the terms of employment. They will dictate higher wages. Higher wages will also equal inflation.

This scenario assumes the economy somehow doesn't crash before all the plants are built due to higher prices equal less demand (affordability) and we go into a recession.

Buy American:
The United States imports most of its bananas from Guatemala, Ecuador, Costa Rica, Honduras, and Colombia.
China is where the world gets most of its silk, with India being a distant second. If you want to buy American, you'd have to get your silk clothing and scarves from American fashion houses. You wouldn't want to get them from Marshall's, because they buy products from China and you need to not support any place that buys from China.

Don't expect your New Balance shoes to be made in the states - American-made shoes are a small percentage of their selection; most of them are made in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

While there aren't any cars in the US that are fully made in China, MOST US-made cars use components that are manufactured in China.

Do you like drinking tea? Ice tea? Better stop drinking it. The vast majority of non-herbal tea in the US is imported from China.

Many groceries ARE made in China, or in Mexico, or in other countries with tariffs imposed.

Completely false, tariffs are not, and never have been, taxes.
Only Congress can authorize the taxes and only the President can authorize tariffs. They are clearly not the same

The US fought a war against tea, literally throwing it in the harbor. Torries SHOULD be punished for siding with the Crown still.





In case someone is too angry to tell, that was meant in jest.

So you are good with people being paid all but slave wages so you can have things cheaper? You are good with child labor so you can have cheaper goods?

See how silly such statements are yet?

Bu American
 

Buy American

I'm good with the cost of living being lower somewhere else, so that employers can employ people for less, somewhere else, and those employees can enjoy the lower cost of living there, while I enjoy a higher cost of living here, but NOT as high as if those employers had to pay American wages for the same products.

I am against slave labor.

But the cost of living in China is approximately 50% lower than it is in the states. Minimum wage in the states does NOT cover the cost of living.

But the Chinese can be paid less than the American living wage, and still be able to afford a sustainable modest lifestyle.

Dairy costs significantly more in China than it does here in the States, but other than that - groceries are significantly less expensive there. While rents are around $2000/month on average here, they're only around $600/month there.

Again, I'm against slave labor. I'm against child labor. But I'm all for global economics.

Who gets the money then
 

Who receives the extra money charged then? It is paid, and the government is the collecting agency.

By the way, any group can tax. Your state can tax goods and they aren’t congress. Shoot, even the local government tends to get a little tax happy.

It’s really very simple. If we have to pay more money to cover the tariffs, it’s a bad thing.

tariffs will do and can’t do
 

Tariffs should cause all imported tariffed “goods” to cost more at the point of sale. For the” majority” of imported and tariffed “goods” the US does not have the manufacturing or labor infrastructure to either produce the “goods” or to produce it at current selling prices.

Both will ultimately be paid by the consumer. To me, the difference is as follows;
Taxes pay for things that benefit the taxpayers, like infrastructure, military, police, fire depts, health care, research, public education and welfare. These are things that benefit all of us.
Tariffs raise the cost of imported goods, with the hope of "leveling the playing field" so U S manufacturers can compete in the U S marketplace. While this may help U S manufacturing, the consumer will still pay more for products, regardless of place of origin. But keeping manufacturing in this country helps keep us from becoming economic slaves to manufacturing countries.

Agree 100%. Also if a country had to pay guess who increases the price of the item!
 

The consumer pays either the country increases the price or we directly pay.

It is true that manufacturing jobs need to be brought back to the US, but that won't happen instantly. It looks like there will be a period of economic PAIN on the horizon.

Maybe
 

Perhaps, others just call the higher prices “inflation”.

😱 NO!

That is certainly one part of the spiraling domino effect that is inflation.

Interesting. I suppose the service charge was because UPS had to figure out the amount, charge it, and send the money to the government. It’s possible that the service charge would be the same even if the amount of the purchase were much higher, as it costs no more to collect and pass on $100 than to do the same with $15.

Hmm? Tips don't work that way. Maybe they should? Just a thought.

Tariffs are mostly “smoke and mirrors” and so are the so called federal employees buyout and layoffs. All sounds good and plays with a lot of Americans. However, you have to look at the Federal Budget closer to see where the most money is spent. It’s Defense programs and Entitlement programs such as S.S. and Medicare. It appears that most don’t want to touch the “entitlement programs”. The Defense Department is a slippery slope also. We cannot afford to let our military down. With inability to reduce the budget significantly and reduction of taxes being proposed we will be adding significantly to the deficit. Does anybody care about the deficit our children and grandchildren are going to face in the not too distant future? Fore.

I was employed by the Federal Government for 35 years. A 10 percent reduction in the number of employees is way too low. I would reduce it by 80 percent and that would save a huge amount of money.

I was employed by the Federal Government for 34 years. My experience was diametrically different than yours.

next time mail it
 

as per title - the mail service may be slower , BUT there is an exclusion up to $800 so no duty is paid nor form fees.. that's why temu and shein are so big ...

( 40 year importer )

Y’all think the sewer known as Amazon is huge?
Alibaba and others could fit them in their pockets.
For decades the USPS ( which is operating in low if any profit) has been pandering to China with basically free postage once the item hits our shores.
We avoid places like Walmart and Amazon aggressively since low prices have a high cost and they are strangling small businesses like our bicycle store, a 2.5 person operation for 45 years.
For household goods and many items for the store we go straight to away and hook up with independent people like us.
Sometimes , rarely, an Amazon fulfillment sends the item but that’s life.

We used to grow avocados here in Florida until so many people moved here

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I do not claim to be a tariff expert. If,it was due to a Tarriff, a bit of a surprise that it got to you from China that quickly. The company that sent you the replacement probably knew and had the necessary paperwork completed so the package was not opened.

Many years ago. Truth many many years ago, I worked for a place that sold lab equipment. Orders going overseas, often customers would tell us to remove stuff with high tarries on it and pack and bill them separate. For example if high tariff on a changer you would ship the cart and ship the charger as a separate item.

We've probably all ordered stuff from China. HUH? Never paid duty.
Freight free. HUH if you need to return it, the shipping is more than what you paid for the item.

Used to deal with it in photo equipment, Stuff would come in the backdoor avoiding the profit of the American distributor. Stuff that needed service. People would get angry when you explained the gray market stuff they bought was not covered by warranty.

The Federal Mafia is forcing UPS to be a tax collector for the State. The UPS service charge is appropriate.

Tariff
 

Why in the world would you order from the company on line, when you can buy it already here?

The Villages, Lady Lake area was a huge grower of water melons and citrus. Far as avocados, they have become a fad. The trees grow large and I think you need a male and a female.

I think you mean deficit, although there surely is a lot of defect apparent.

You can’t cut SS
 

Money spent….entitlements.

Social Security funds were loaned by all of us to the US government for safe keeping and interest baring purposes. The funds need to be paid back to all who loaned their money in good faith to the US government under the guise of Social Security. I’m not really sure how the government could ever get by with saying they can’t pay us back just because they misspent the funds. The credibility of the US government, its finances and the dollar would collapse if payments were stopped. There are a few outs where payments could be stopped, those payments to any SSI recipients who hadn’t worked. You can call it an entitlement or whatever you like. The money is owed to those that loaned part of their income to the US government.

There basically wouldn’t be a US government if payments collapsed to the SS workers who loaned their money out to the government. The credit of the US, the dollar and everything else required for a government would fail.

The only way I can respond to this is: Look around your house. Let's start in the closets. If you are like most people, you will be hard pressed to find anything made in the USA. LL Bean even went overseas. Shirts, pants, shoes, socks, underwear, coats, sweaters....maybe some folks have some, but many, many families in this country don't have any articles of clothing made in the USA. Let's now go to appliances, microwave, dishwasher, washer and dryer, refrigerator....how many are made here in the USA? My Whirlpool appliances in my Villages house....made in China and most appliances are not made here. TV's, sound equipment...most made in China...I'm not sure if any TV's are made here anymore. Cars? 50% not made here. Our cellphones? Nope, not made here.

My point is that it's not so easy to just buy American. The experts said that widespread 25% tariffs on China would cost the average American household $3,900 per year. The margins are not big enough on this stuff for the manufacturer to swallow the tariffs. They will be largely paid by the American consumer, just like a tax on these goods.