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Old 08-27-2019, 08:01 AM
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Teachers get credit for educating students; however,in affluent comities were both parents have college degrees,IMHO they are the real reason for the teachers success--In Baltimore there is not a single HS that has ONE student who is up to passing the state requirement for math proficiency
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Old 08-27-2019, 08:20 AM
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The moderator asked that we not discuss this topic in another thread so I have started this thread.

Jump in with Statistics. I will try to find fair and valid and recent ones.

Here's the first one;

Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com

According to this one Jazuela, there is not a lot of difference between Connecticut and Florida.
There's a HUGE difference. Maybe you were reading the wrong states. You're definitely reading the wrong website.

If you want to know salaries, you have to go to the actual district's official website, not some aggregate that collects data from all kinds of sources and doesn't fact-check.

Sumter County's schedule of salaries for public education teachers for last year (2018-2019) is here:

http://assets.sumter.k12.fl.us/Human...y-Schedule.pdf

Teachers starting with a BS degree start at $40,875. The most they can earn, after 25 years of service, is $59,248. If they get a Master's degree they can tack another $2,667 on that, and if they're a specialist or have a PhD in Education they can add $3,667.

There are incentives for them to work in underserved schools - but the incentives are just a bump up the existing schedule, the max doesn't change, they just reach it sooner because they start out further up the pay level.

Compare to Waterbury, CT, a valley town with some fairly tony areas, and a lot of underserved areas. Their contract is here, the schedule of salaries is on page 69: https://www.waterbury.k12.ct.us/user....pdf?id=548457

Teachers starting with a Bachelor's degree enter at $43,110. Not much difference there. But after only 12 years of service they cap out at $77,369. That's almost a $20k per year difference, and they achieve it after 12 years rather than 25 years.

A PhD starts at $52,491 and caps at $93,365, which is more than $30,000 higher than the max cap for Sumter County Florida. And again, that's after 12 years, not 25.

They also get significant incentives, such as an additional $5,542 if they double as an assistant Baseball coach with a JV team for the whole season.

Florida usually ranks in the bottom 5-10 in public school quality. Connecticut is consistently in the top 10 and often makes it to the top 5.

Florida public schools are horrible, their teachers are poorly paid, well under the national average, and their systems are given insufficient funding to educate their kids. Connecticut schools typically perform very well, their teachers are well paid, always much higher than the national average, and the systems are given funding that can cover at least the minimum costs. Even when they don't, the teachers don't have to get a second job to afford to pick up extra pencils for their students.

That doesn't mean you should just randomly pour money into schools and expect them to suddenly become good schools. But proper training, higher standards of education, comprehensive education, providing a safe, effective, productive education that isn't focused on "graduation" but instead is focused on "kids who know more stuff" costs money.

So many school systems only care about how many kids graduate, that they're teaching them how to pass tests and not teaching them anything they actually need to know, in order to succeed in life after school.

Connecticut has entire programs dedicated to internships and civil service, social programs - all things the students are required to participate in, if they want to graduate. They are required to "be good citizens" in addition to learning how to read and write.
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It's not a stretch to say that the future of a country's success...lies in the quality of their teachers and school systems.

Research China's latest push to increase their higher education systems and their buying up of foreign universities...as well as building more of their own.

I am always amazed, and disheartened/disgusted, at those who think most teachers here in the US...already make too much money.

That a lot of blue-collared, mostly HS educated, often make so much more than those we trust to guide and teach our children & grandchildren to become successes in the future...tells me something is really wrong.
Many blue collared, mostly HS educated people are successful because they learned the same things in another place...LIFE.

Of course most of us value education, but most of us also value knowledge, no matter how it is acquired. Disclaimer. I have never failed to vote for a school levy.
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Not bad for a part time job ....Also negotiated is a calendar work year that limits teachers to 181 work days. Most Americans work 245 days per year meaning teachers get nearly 13 weeks more vacation time than the typical US worker. Michael Robertson: The Myth of the Underpaid Teacher
Thank you for bring this topic to my attention
It is not a part time job. It is a full time job with mandatory overtime. That 181 days is days that the teacher spends in the classroom, not the days the teacher works.

Teachers are expected to work outside the classroom on lesson plans, grading papers, continuing education, mandatory upkeep on certifications, scheduling, parent-teacher meetings, field trips. That "vacation" time usually results in being little more than the same 4 weeks that most full-time people get after they've been working for a few years in the same company.

Except teachers work MUCH more than 7.5 hours per day, and they are responsible for the lives of children. School children spend more time with teachers than they spend with their own parents, in most cases.
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Here is quality of education by state according to U.S. News;
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However as Chatbrat says; Quality in public education varies a lot within the State.
I can attest to the superior quality of New Jersey's school system, and the way they tracked and team-taught their students back when we lived in Morris County, NJ (Randolph School District). When we moved to Michigan, which you might note doesn't even make the top 15 on your list, our eighth grader was a year ahead of his class on every subject. We eventually took him out of that school system and sent him back East to a private school.

When the teachers in Randolph struck, we parents went to bat for them. They were excellent teachers and had an individual plan for each student. They deserved every cent they got and then some.
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When I retired back in 95, always wanted to be a teacher-well tried it for 6 weeks, could not believe what was being taught as HS math-gave up--a real eye opener was , when I found out that most teachers in the schoolt,I tried out sent their kids to private schools

A final thought, if you worked in Fl, in your career-do you think you would be able to retire when you did and could you afford to live in TV

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You are right Jazuela. On this one it is 44k vs. 55k for average salary. I have heard wonderful things about Connecticut Schools and Florida Schools not so much. Very grateful to be from Ohio and raised our kids and saw our grandkids go through the wonderful Lakota Local School District.

Our grandson who started college with 13 advanced placement credits said college was easier than high school.
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Given that Rory Mcllroy just won $15,000,000 for winning the Fed Ex Cup, it appears our society values golf way more than just about all other professions, including teachers? If you have not already done so, get your Grandkids a set of clubs for their next birthday!

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Hi All !!!!




Does anyone have a suggestion as to how "we" determine a fair wage?? What's a formula which would work, district by district??


There should be a way to determine a fair starting wage and index by CoL by district, but I've never seen a proposal.


Just wondering, not helpful.
Just a thought, fair wage should be tied to the cost of living in the area. In Hawaii the teachers’ salaries are so low that Hawaii cannot keep their teachers. People leave this paradise because they can’t even minimally live there.
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Old 08-27-2019, 09:31 AM
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When I retired back in 95, always wanted to be a teacher-well tried it for 6 weeks, could not believe what was being taught as HS math-gave up--a real eye opener was , when I found out that most teachers in the schoolt,I tried out sent their kids to private schools

A final thought, if you worked in Fl, in your career-do you think you would be able to retire when you did and could you afford to live in TV
One school does not a school system make, perhaps the teacher profession lost a great one in you.

I do remember my calculus teacher in high school. We had a double 40 minute class. He came in, put incomprehensible math on the board, asked “Any questions?” If you asked a question of any kind he belittled you or made fun of you to make sure there were no questions. Then after 5 minutes he left to go to the staff room or something for the rest of the time. We as a group tried to figure out the math problems from the assignment, from the text book, helped each other, encouraged each other. Those who were applying for university (I went into engineering) had to have A or higher achievement in the national test for calculus to be considered for admission.

Yes, there are some bad apples among teachers too.
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