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Life as I know it 02-28-2023 05:35 AM

Can’t erase history
 
They are trying to hide the truth. We need to let our children learn from our mistakes. It will help them learn what really happened and help them make their decisions based on facts.
Hiding our dirty secrets like the Church and Boy Scouts did hurt so many children. It’s a cruel sick world out there. Children were not allowed to question.
The truth will prepare them better to deal with life when they are able to question and hold accountable.

Two Bills 02-28-2023 06:52 AM

You wait for the screams when they/them, etc. start on the Bible.
Now there a book with more 'ists than all the others put together!

RiderOnTheStorm 02-28-2023 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2192320)
According to reports, the James Bond books are being edited to avoid offending people.

Report: James Bond Books Being Rewritten To Remove ‘Racist And Sexist’ Remarks – Summit News


Does this mean that Pussy Galore is gone?

dewilson58 02-28-2023 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2192455)
Does this mean that Pussy Galore is gone?

James, "I must be dreaming."

bp243 02-28-2023 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Life as I know it (Post 2192431)
They are trying to hide the truth. We need to let our children learn from our mistakes. It will help them learn what really happened and help them make their decisions based on facts.
Hiding our dirty secrets like the Church and Boy Scouts did hurt so many children. It’s a cruel sick world out there. Children were not allowed to question.
The truth will prepare them better to deal with life when they are able to question and hold accountable.

Agree! Once you start publicly censoring what’s been acceptable regarding literature, there is no end. Someone will object. Intellectual thought is based on conversation about life as it exists. Surely we know what’s acceptable to read at various age levels in our schools. Teachers have been doing this forever. Censoring of literature is very authoritarian to do so in a public way to control intellectual discourse.

augustnotes 02-28-2023 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2192325)
I just read that the publisher of Roald Dahl’s books backed off after public backlash. That’s a good sign. But we don’t have enough good signs.

Book banning is coming from extremes on both sides.

This country has lost its collective mind.

I was glad to read though that teenagers are starting their own book clubs to read and discuss banned books.

More people need to be aware and to speak up.

Boomer

Nazi Germany in the 1930's targeted books for burning whose viewed as being subversive or as representing ideologies opposed to Nazism. Now let's replace the word Nazi for WOKE and history is repeating itself only this time it's not burning but rewriting literature to remove any opposition to the WOKE views. If people don't start standing up and saying enough is enough we will soon learn what life is like for the Chinese people. Freedom has never been free, but hard fought, yet today it seems like we are not fighting against an enemy of foreign soil. It is within our own boarders that we are giving up our capitalistic beliefs to follow a path of fascism in the name of equity. And now I hear that the government is putting traditional orthodox Catholics churches on watch list as radicals and I hope that I am wrong and it's just more of false media at work. As Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote: "They came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist, then they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist, then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist, then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew, then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me". People we need to wake up before it's too late.

bark4me 02-28-2023 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2192325)
I just read that the publisher of Roald Dahl’s books backed off after public backlash. That’s a good sign. But we don’t have enough good signs.

Book banning is coming from extremes on both sides.

This country has lost its collective mind.

I was glad to read though that teenagers are starting their own book clubs to read and discuss banned books.

More people need to be aware and to speak up.

Boomer

Agreed! Yes, they have lost their minds. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

Taltarzac725 02-28-2023 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by augustnotes (Post 2192469)
Nazi Germany in the 1930's targeted books for burning whose viewed as being subversive or as representing ideologies opposed to Nazism. Now let's replace the word Nazi for WOKE and history is repeating itself only this time it's not burning but rewriting literature to remove any opposition to the WOKE views. If people don't start standing up and saying enough is enough we will soon learn what life is like for the Chinese people. Freedom has never been free, but hard fought, yet today it seems like we are not fighting against an enemy of foreign soil. It is within our own boarders that we are giving up our capitalistic beliefs to follow a path of fascism in the name of equity. And now I hear that the government is putting traditional orthodox Catholics churches on watch list as radicals and I hope that I am wrong and it's just more of false media at work. As Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote: "They came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist, then they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist, then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist, then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew, then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me". People we need to wake up before it's too late.

Woke - Wikipedia
Respecting African American history is very different from the white power propaganda put out by Hitler and his minions. And also not all like the hatred they directed at various unpopular groups like gays, Jewish, the mentally ill, gypsies, and physically challenged people.

Taltarzac725 02-28-2023 08:54 AM

Roald Dahl books to remain unchanged after censorship claims | EW.com

Actually this just looks like a publisher trying to sell more books but getting a very bad idea about how to do it.

It is just someone's bad business idea. It has nothing to do with the WOKE movement about respect for African American history.

Keefelane66 02-28-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2192381)
Theses thoughts could be applied to rewriting history books.

History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon, truth or lies.

tophcfa 02-28-2023 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2192455)
Does this mean that Pussy Galore is gone?

Say it isn’t so? Will Plenty O’toole, Jenny Flex, Mary Goodnight, Honey Ryder, Octopussy, and the esteemed Holly Goodhead all be going away with Ms. Galore? I’ll need a double, shaken, not stirred, if that happens.

MandoMan 02-28-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2192320)
According to reports, the James Bond books are being edited to avoid offending people.

Report: James Bond Books Being Rewritten To Remove ‘Racist And Sexist’ Remarks – Summit News

“The latest publications of the books, written by Ian Fleming, will also reportedly contain a trigger warning notifying readers that they may find some of the storylines hurt their feelings. The warning will read “This book was written at a time when terms and attitudes which might be considered offensive by modern readers were commonplace.””

Astonishing and disgusting. I read all or most of the James Bond books several times when I was in eighth and ninth grade. I had to sneak them into the house—which was easy because they were all thin paperbacks. Once I started reading one, I was so engrossed that I had to finish it that night, even if it was 2 am. I found the double-entendres hilarious—when I was fifteen. Racism? Because of the Chinese and Russian bad guys? My best friend loved Fu Manchu movies back then. That’s just they way things were. Is it right to try to rewrite history?

I taught a couple Bond novels in a college class called “The Thriller” that I taught for years, but I realized the writing wasn’t very good, and I found that sexism and racism and unlikely violence distasteful. It was also clear that the author had a penchant for sadism, or is it masochism? I think maybe Ian Fleming was a masochist. Bond always has to withstand a lot of pain. I don’t like pain. My students loved the novels, but they loved the Jack Reacher books even more. From a literary level, those aren’t as good as the Bond novels, in some ways, but they are also exciting. I was pleased that my students actually were reading fifty page assignments three times a week and loving them.

Why try to sanitize Bond? What stupidity. Apart from my students twenty years ago, who is forced to read the books? A large percentage of the novels on the best seller lists today offend me. I read the reviews. Then I just don’t read the books. Problem solved.

LuvNH 02-28-2023 11:49 AM

The fanatics are taking over the world and they have very loud voices. The rest of us shake our heads and basically ignore them and that is precisely what happened in Nazi Germany.

JP 02-28-2023 11:57 AM

I want to be on the committee that reviews and recommends changes to the 1619 project "book".

Pairadocs 02-28-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2192320)
According to reports, the James Bond books are being edited to avoid offending people.

Report: James Bond Books Being Rewritten To Remove ‘Racist And Sexist’ Remarks – Summit News

Of course, if you do a thorough analysis of the history of ours, and any, country, when censorship begins it does not stop, but grows exponentially, SURPRISE ! The "will" of the people determines if, and how much, censorship is tolerated in a culture/society. Right now we appear to be on a major swing toward extreme censorship. When a society begins to tolerate the actual RE-WRITING of an established author's works, they really should recognize just how dangerous those acts are ! In James Michener's book Texas, he gives examples of just how dangerous this is when he details how a state government can control the Re-writing of history textbooks. What is most frightening is, most of the younger, 30, 40 year old, generation has no knowledge of the history or dangers of censorship, no knowledge of Michener, Orwell, Pasternak (1950's Dr. Zhivago, a thinly disguised warning to democratic counties how quickly democracy can be obliterated). Regardless of an individual's political party preference, we are ALL getting plenty of red flags; plenty of warnings, but for the most part are being ignored. Not good ~ !


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