Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957324)

As one of the docs on staff at the hospital...

I was on the OR Committee, Credentials Committee, Dept of Surgery Committee, (I'm sure I'm missing one...) over my 33+ year tenure...

Now, I just tend to my own practice and leave all of that to the younger docs... I'm preparing my exit strategy, so I can move to TV full time...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957328)

So a surgeon, ? subspecialty.
And yes, hospital committees can drive you nuts

I "exited" 6 years ago, I thought I would miss it, but quality of life full time in TV is so much better, especially in the era of 7 digit ICDM-10 codes, nitpicking documentation and dealing with families that come in with google print outs that I don't miss it at all

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1957130)

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1956723)

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1956707)

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1957123)

My neighbor is still experiencing effects from the virus.
Not sure of the definition of "long-term"...............but he is coming up on a year.
He was the picture of good health & fitness.
:pray:

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1957130)

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957124)

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957151)

No. It's a description of the pharmacokinetics of the vaccine (AVD, metabolism, excretion, tissue penetration, etc.). It does not address anything clinical at all. Looks like it might be information that Pfizer pharmacists and molecular geneticists put out as part of their bid to get full FDA approval (although I doubt the radioimmunoflourescence study in 6 rats will pass the committee

Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1956736)

An article that only uses a minute percentage of actual covid infected people is not a reliable source for the information the article proposes. Were they asked if they experienced these "long term" issues before they got covid? I would also want to know who funds this magazine. Lastly it has only been a year or so since the first Americans got covid and that is hardly long term as many who get pneumonia without covid experience issue up to a year or more. Many hip, knee, should replacement recipients also have proven long term effects.

I never just get one side of things and expect it to be the gods honest truth. In this day and age a person must question any result based on such a small sampling...unless, of course, they only care to hear one side of an issue.

It would seem the only reason for your post is to convince those who haven't had the vaccine do so because you just care so much as to what they could, might, may experience without the vaccine. I don't believe that is the actual reason.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957417)

And it seems like YOUR reason for the post is to convince others to REFRAIN from getting the vaccine. And I feel that reason is pure propaganda! It also seems to me like the sample size was appropriate for an EARLY study. People are NOT getting the vaccine in a high enough percentage to achieve herd immunity. So, you have won with your propaganda, you can give it a rest. The US has been sufficiently weakened and the PANDEMIC will be with us for years. Hope the anti-vaxxers are happy - they have set American Democracy and Science back toward the medieval times. I know V.Putin IS happy!

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1957210)

And we also have teens having heart problems AFTER getting the shot (not a vaccine). So, it is reasonable for someone to make the decision to steer clear of the shot.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1957288)

Perhaps. But, I am not stating that my "study of two" should be evidence for anyone to follow suit. I am justifying my own decision to forego the shot. I consider myself protected enough and further consider the shot to be a higher risk than not getting it. The person I replied to was "on the fence" and I gave him/her my take on the matter. And I was explaining that you can't go back in time and not get it later. That's all. Studies or not, I'm not obligated to base my decisions to get the shot on how well it will protect others.

Originally Posted by drstevens (Post 1957312)

Go to The COVID Blog - Official blog of COVID Legal USA. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant. Some don't do so well!

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1956742)

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1957401)

I would imagine 1/3 or more had long term medical problems long before Covid? I’m guessing Covid didn’t remedy any and probably made symptoms worse?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1956822)

Since none of this is conclusive, I consider the jury still out. I know over a dozen folks that have survived Covid. I know of two that did not. Those two definitely have "brain fog and fatigue." It's permanent. Of the dozen in my family that have survived Covid (easier than a common cold) none of them have reported any lasting symptoms or side effects. Of course, they are all younger than 50 yo.
I will NOT encourage my grandchildren or any school age children to get the Covid vaccination. Why? Because even though I got mine (for my spouse) I do not put much confidence in a vaccination where folks do not believe in it enough to quit wearing their masks or associate with those that are maskless, after they have been vaccinated. The second reason for not wishing the children of school age to get the Covid vaccination, is that the virus is very seldom fatal. As a matter of fact, it is less fatal than the Flu to children. Pretty sure of that statement, but I am not an expert. As with anything else posted on here, I have my opinion. How can anyone in good confidence encourage children to get the vaccination when they adamantly state that they will not take a cruise on a cruiseline that will allow unvaccinated to board the ship. If you do not have faith in your vaccination, how can you push children to get it? I keep hearing on here over and over how you are afraid of the maskless, unvaccinated and believe they should be forced to get the vaccination. If you are that scared then why did you get vaccinated? DO you really think that you will catch it?
I don't know about any long term after or lingering effects that covid may present, but if true then it has to be man made and someone needs to pay dearly for causing it. Even if it came from China or in our own backyard. It wouldn't be the first time a major scare came from our Gov. Remember Ft Detrick, MD and the anthrax scare?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1957025)

I didn't realize I broke any rules but thank you for informing me. I'm ready to go to the naughty room.

Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1957054)

I had COVID (mild symptoms) and I also got the vaccine. I didn't get the vaccine because I was "afraid" of COVID, I got it because I felt all my friends who were vaccinated and never had COVID would be more comfortable with me if I got the vaccine.

Let me also say I had a close family member who died from COVID.

After getting the vaccine, if I thought I could get COVID, be hospitalized, and potentially die from COVID, why would I get the vaccine???

I don't care if people choose not to get the vaccine. It's their choice and their risk. Because I was vaccinated, I don't think an unvaccinated person is of any risk to me.

I don't understand why vaccinated people are so insistent about people getting the vaccine.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957357)

Podiatric Medicine & Surgery...

And I cannot wait "not to miss it"... ;) Currently trying to sell my practice... 3 years left on my lease... I hope to practice another 12-18 months... But if whomever buys me out wants me to leave sooner, I'll be gone in a flash!

Although I have had a FL license since 1984, I doubt I'll ever use it, since I'd only want to work part time and my malpractice insurance would eat up anything I'd earn...

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1956816)

Why are you rehashing a thread that was closed? The Mods had a reason for it. I think you are just trying to stir the pot again(as always) I'm done arguing about the "vaccine" and the dreaded "covid". It's not getting anyone, especially me, to change their minds.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957435)

CV causes enlarged hearts and holes in the lungs for young children and adults. That is pretty WELL KNOWN!

Originally Posted by JakeInTV (Post 1957108)

I'm fatigued alright - of these seemingly endless inane debates about the vaccine. It used to be don't discuss politics or religion. In The Villages, it expanded to debating electric vs. gas golf carts, and snowbirds. Now it's pro vs. con masks/vaccines. I have yet to find anyone who has changed their minds. So is this not just another exercise in futility, and a waste of spending one's remaining retirement years?

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1957130)

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957463)

Worst post I have ever seen!

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957124)

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1957176)

It would be interesting to know the deaths and adverse effects of the “vaccine” as well. I understand that some of that information is being censored, so I’m not sure we can get the true answers. It may be to early determine any long term effects too?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1957412)

Fear and despair will disappear once a person is vaccinated, (in most cases anyway if you truly believe in the science)..

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957432)

Why worry so much about the FEW LITTLE GUYS, the LITTLE GUYS taking advantage of the SYSTEM? WHITE collar CRIME is so much more harmful to society than BLUE collar crime. Look at Jeff Bezos and ALL the others recently exposed. That costs America tons more. And Chiropractors fill a need between nurses and Doctors, which may be filled by medical A.I. in the future. There IS a need because many Doctors become very arrogant and egotistic and HMOs and have stacked the deck to drive prices for their services upward. Doctors do NOT have enough time for each individual patient. Doctors have THEMSELVES created the NEED for Chiropractors. They are the ones to blame.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957435)

CV causes enlarged hearts and holes in the lungs for young children and adults. That is pretty WELL KNOWN!

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1957448)

Thought about working for the VA hospital or Clinic? Bet you don't need Malpractice Insurance, but I am just guessing.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957443)

It is VERY understandable IF someone just takes the time to study it a LITTLE bit.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1957451)

Not totally disagreeing with you , BUT how do you know this information if the virus has only been around for such a short time? How would children develop "holes in the heart" so fast? I am not an expert, so I would be very interested in how you determined this major piece of information.
Sounds like an "Urban Legend" to me.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957461)

Logic would DICTATE that the debates are ENDLESS because people WANT to debate them. And the whole subject of CV is changing (for example the NEW delta variant. Did you know about that ? I am sure many people on TOTV did NOT! NOT being aware of the details of CV can KILL you (it is NOT irradicated). It is a world health problem. The quality of Yamaha vehicles IS not. CV is a part of Medical Science and Science is constantly changing.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957432)

Why worry so much about the FEW LITTLE GUYS, the LITTLE GUYS taking advantage of the SYSTEM? WHITE collar CRIME is so much more harmful to society than BLUE collar crime. Look at Jeff Bezos and ALL the others recently exposed. That costs America tons more. And Chiropractors fill a need between nurses and Doctors, which may be filled by medical A.I. in the future. There IS a need because many Doctors become very arrogant and egotistic and HMOs and have stacked the deck to drive prices for their services upward. Doctors do NOT have enough time for each individual patient. Doctors have THEMSELVES created the NEED for Chiropractors. They are the ones to blame.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957435)

CV causes enlarged hearts and holes in the lungs for young children and adults. That is pretty WELL KNOWN!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957389)

Many people enjoy going to work and NEED the socialization there afforded. And MANY have career goals that they want to continue without interruption. Plus most people are honest and can be trusted and therefore believed.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957124)

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1957490)

Well then you should know better. I don’t have a family member claiming I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER DEALING WITH IT. I don’t care what you think as a retired dr. I have been at every doctor appointment them with. I have watch them go through this.
So you MAY THINK YOU KNOW……..I KNOW AND I DON’T need a medical degree to know what my family is going.

I sure you think this is a natural virus too and that it was not release on purpose.
FYI look at Dr. Fauci‘s cadential‘s what does that do for anybody????? Nothing

So maybe just maybe you don’t know what you think you know.