[coffeebean]

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

[Altavia]

I have a number of very heathy, actively working younger friends and family suffering from degrees of long hauler effects so that article seems rational to me.

[Mortal1]

An article that only uses a minute percentage of actual covid infected people is not a reliable source for the information the article proposes. Were they asked if they experienced these "long term" issues before they got covid? I would also want to know who funds this magazine. Lastly it has only been a year or so since the first Americans got covid and that is hardly long term as many who get pneumonia without covid experience issue up to a year or more. Many hip, knee, should replacement recipients also have proven long term effects.

I never just get one side of things and expect it to be the gods honest truth. In this day and age a person must question any result based on such a small sampling...unless, of course, they only care to hear one side of an issue.

It would seem the only reason for your post is to convince those who haven't had the vaccine do so because you just care so much as to what they could, might, may experience without the vaccine. I don't believe that is the actual reason.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

I have a number of very heathy, actively working younger friends and family suffering from degrees of long hauler effects so that article seems rational to me.

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

[NotGolfer]

I have brain fog and fatigue----BUT mine comes from having rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. I've had these for a number of years. NOW to go read the article.....yep, I read it. It wasn't a conclusive finding from my perspective.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

The study was from the JAMA so it has credibility although the sample size 177 would not be large enough for 6 sigma standard deviation reliability.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by John41

The study was from the JAMA so it has credibility although the sample size 177 would not be large enough for 6 sigma standard deviation reliability.

Actually, JAMA doesn't do studies, they publish them. Part of the source for the article cited was a small study done at the Univ. of Washington, and the principal investigator/researcher was a woman with a BS. They also spoke with a few MDs.
Again, interesting, but hardly conclusive. Stay tuned.

SOURCES: Jennifer Logue, BS, research scientist, division of allergy and infectious diseases, department of medicine, University of Washington, Seattle; Kristin Englund, MD, infectious disease specialist, Cleveland Clinic, Ohio; David Hirschwerk, MD, attending infectious disease doctor, Northwell Health, Manhasset, N.Y.; Thomas Gut, DO, associate chair, medicine, and director, ambulatory care services, Staten Island University Hospital, New York City; Ravindra Ganesh, MBBS, MD, internist, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn.; JAMA Network Open, Feb. 19, 2021, online

[coffeebean]

Stanley, this one is for you (from that same thread that was CLOSED............

Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children's hearts: 'Immense inflammation' causing cardiac blood vessel dilation -- ScienceDaily

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Stanley, this one is for you (from that same thread that was CLOSED............

Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children's hearts: 'Immense inflammation' causing cardiac blood vessel dilation -- ScienceDaily

Why are you rehashing a thread that was closed? The Mods had a reason for it. I think you are just trying to stir the pot again(as always) I'm done arguing about the "vaccine" and the dreaded "covid". It's not getting anyone, especially me, to change their minds.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Stanley, this one is for you (from that same thread that was CLOSED............

Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children's hearts: 'Immense inflammation' causing cardiac blood vessel dilation -- ScienceDaily

From the original article that "science daily" took it's info:

While the RCPCH definition of PIMS-TS recognizes the temporal association with COVID-19, it does not require proof of infection or exposure to meet the case definition

So, in other words, we just don't know if there is an association or not

[Byte1]

Since none of this is conclusive, I consider the jury still out. I know over a dozen folks that have survived Covid. I know of two that did not. Those two definitely have "brain fog and fatigue." It's permanent. Of the dozen in my family that have survived Covid (easier than a common cold) none of them have reported any lasting symptoms or side effects. Of course, they are all younger than 50 yo.
I will NOT encourage my grandchildren or any school age children to get the Covid vaccination. Why? Because even though I got mine (for my spouse) I do not put much confidence in a vaccination where folks do not believe in it enough to quit wearing their masks or associate with those that are maskless, after they have been vaccinated. The second reason for not wishing the children of school age to get the Covid vaccination, is that the virus is very seldom fatal. As a matter of fact, it is less fatal than the Flu to children. Pretty sure of that statement, but I am not an expert. As with anything else posted on here, I have my opinion. How can anyone in good confidence encourage children to get the vaccination when they adamantly state that they will not take a cruise on a cruiseline that will allow unvaccinated to board the ship. If you do not have faith in your vaccination, how can you push children to get it? I keep hearing on here over and over how you are afraid of the maskless, unvaccinated and believe they should be forced to get the vaccination. If you are that scared then why did you get vaccinated? DO you really think that you will catch it?
I don't know about any long term after or lingering effects that covid may present, but if true then it has to be man made and someone needs to pay dearly for causing it. Even if it came from China or in our own backyard. It wouldn't be the first time a major scare came from our Gov. Remember Ft Detrick, MD and the anthrax scare?

[butlerperkins@gmail.com]

2021 0609 Wednesday @ 12:51
I have been "on the fence" about the COVID shots since they were first announced. As I type this, my significant other has her back to me; she is working. She has received two shots. I haven't had anything - yet. However, I write to say how immensely appreciative I am of all of you; you, who waffle back and forth; those of you who have been "jabbed"; those of you who have not been "jabbed". I hear such strong "arguments" for both "sides". This decision is a tough one for me: new science and faith vs "bad" science and doubt.

Note: I am thankful to the moderators who do allow this topic to pop up again and again. I read them to <learn>; to "listen", to help me make my choice. Til then, I mask and I keep as much distance as possible.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by stanley

Why are you rehashing a thread that was closed? The Mods had a reason for it. I think you are just trying to stir the pot again(as always) I'm done arguing about the "vaccine" and the dreaded "covid". It's not getting anyone, especially me, to change their minds.

Sorry to disagree. I am interested in this conversation.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

So you decided to break forum rules?

"USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER."

But since you want to play...

Are you familiar with the definition of the word "could"? Or "for a few months"?

Hardly "long haulers"

And finally, getting your info from WebMD is folly, at best... Pretty much every symptom "could be" cancer...