[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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I read that the new Genesis SUV which Tiger had the crash in - had 10 airbags, including (a first) one in the center console area. Per Genesis description> "middle air-bag (of ten fitted) that inflates between the two first-row seats." Will be very interesting when they determine how his injuries were caused during the crash. He was buckled in, all airbags detonated, and the 'passenger cage' appeared to be intact. How could he have had those terrible right leg injuries? I mean, that leg would have been sandwiched by his left leg and the center console.

Of course the rollovers appear to be the root cause - but being restrained well, and air-bagged... what caused the horrendous injuries to his right leg? I assume that Hyundai/Genesis execs may be very concerned when the details arise... ???Intrusion of engine compartment components into footwell area? Collapse of interior components? Intrusion of center console into the seating area? ???
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Tiger Woods will likely face a lengthy recovery following his near-fatal car crash in Los Angeles this week, experts have said.

Surgeons said the injuries were treated "during emergency surgery by orthopedic trauma specialists." Woods suffered "open fractures affecting both the upper and lower portions of the tibia and fibula bones" that had to be stabilized by inserting a rod in his tibia.

He added that additional bone injuries to his foot and ankle were "stabilized with a combination of screws and pins. Trauma to the muscle and soft-tissue of the leg required surgical release of the covering of the muscles to relieve pressure due to swelling."

"Typically with injuries like that, patients are not allowed to bear any weight on it for the first four to six weeks," he said. "You probably won't be able to put a full amount of weight on it until maybe three months after the surgery."

And he said it would likely be between nine months to a year "for or any sort of decent recovery from an injury like that."

He added that infection is a primary concern because Woods had an "open" fracture, meaning the bone broke through the skin, and the golfer will probably have to undergo additional surgeries in the next few months to stave off infection.

2020 Genesis GV80 review | CarAdvice

Incase you didn't see pictures of the car, the front end was pushed back to the windshield, that typically means the engine was at least partially in the front seat where his right leg was. Tires were at the front doors. This looked like, a high speed impact with something solid and not just a roll over. Unless that damage could come from an end over end flip, but the rear of vehicle did not seem to suffer the same amount of damage as the front.

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I guess that it depends on how you look at it. Police on the scene said that he's lucky to be alive. It's possible that the safety features on this car saved his life and kept his injuries to a minimum. It's possible that had he been driving any other car that he's be dead.

Another thing about most airbags, and maybe these are different, is that they inflate for only a few short seconds and then deflate. Their purpose is to prevent injuries from initial impact. I don't know that all of these airbags remained inflated until the car came to a stop

You really have to ask yourself why they cannot design a car like a NASCAR race car. These guys get in crashes at over 200 MPH and walk away fine or with minor injuries. Yes, once in a great while one of them gets killed which can be expected at these speeds but overall they walk away and I don’t believe these cars have air bags. In a typical passenger car or SUV you would not need roll bars as big as those used in a race car so they could be easily hidden in the interior. Put in the air bags and probably no one would ever get killed.

[Marine1974]

You must not of paid attention to the front of the vehicle , most specifically the engine was smashed in . His feet and legs were injured from the collapse of the front end of the vehicle.

[1948JDG]

Do you think he would have been hurt less severe if he were driving a Cadillac Escalade? Which one has better overall protection? I don't know the answer.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by 1948JDG

Do you think he would have been hurt less severe if he were driving a Cadillac Escalade? Which one has better overall protection? I don't know the answer.

Escalade is higher platform and roll over may have been worse?

[airdale2]

They keep making the consoles wider all the time. Too much boxing in for me.

[jabacon6669]

Speculating on the why's and why nots is a waste of time. The bottom line is he is alive, 20-30 years ago he would be dead. This vehicle saved his life. There are no skid marks because he was air born most of the way. There was also considerable damage to the undercarriage, which is probably the cause of the leg injuries. Your belted in and airbags deploy and only inflate for a second, so the rest of the time while your vehicle is toppling down the road your legs and arms arm flailing all over the place. In most cases your arms are on the wheel, which helps. The G forces are tremendous. Remember this road I believe was posted at 25-35MPH. I have a lot of experience in accident investigations. I can't say exactly how fast, but judging from the scene, with a debris field over 1 and 1/2 football fields, he was traveling probably 70-80mph, The accident reconstruction team should be able to determine an approx. speed. I do disagree with the Sheriff in that it was just an accident. I doubt all the investigative and reconstruction data is in yet. Clearly, speed was a factor, whether caused by him or equipment failure, will be determined. If it's not equipment failure or a medical episode that caused the accident, then it would be on him. Speeding is a negligent act. Let's just be thankful he is alive and no one else was injured.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by jabacon6669

Speculating on the why's and why nots is a waste of time. The bottom line is he is alive, 20-30 years ago he would be dead. This vehicle saved his life. There are no skid marks because he was air born most of the way. There was also considerable damage to the undercarriage, which is probably the cause of the leg injuries. Your belted in and airbags deploy and only inflate for a second, so the rest of the time while your vehicle is toppling down the road your legs and arms arm flailing all over the place. In most cases your arms are on the wheel, which helps. The G forces are tremendous. Remember this road I believe was posted at 25-35MPH. I have a lot of experience in accident investigations. I can't say exactly how fast, but judging from the scene, with a debris field over 1 and 1/2 football fields, he was traveling probably 70-80mph, The accident reconstruction team should be able to determine an approx. speed. I do disagree with the Sheriff in that it was just an accident. I doubt all the investigative and reconstruction data is in yet. Clearly, speed was a factor, whether caused by him or equipment failure, will be determined. If it's not equipment failure or a medical episode that caused the accident, then it would be on him. Speeding is a negligent act. Let's just be thankful he is alive and no one else was injured.

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"waste of time"??? Please review my answers to this from others to explain why I asked the basic quesion. I hear a lot of speculation in your post. I will wait for the experts to explain with facts and evidence. " The accident reconstruction team should be able to determine an approx. speed." ---NO NEED - the computer 'black box' will provide the EXACT speed to investigators. "I doubt all the investigative and reconstruction data is in yet." Of course not - it will take weeks or more.
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[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by airdale2

They keep making the consoles wider all the time. Too much boxing in for me.

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I do wonder if the large console in his vehicle had a part in his right leg injuries. However the vehicle had a driver's knee air bag and a (first) airbag between the front seats.
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[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Tests confirmed he had no drugs or alcohol in his system.
He was on his way to a morning tv shoot.
Hope that helps in your investigation.

PS. He was not wreckless either.
He had quite a famous argument with a fire hydrant some years back!

So you saying he wasn’t speeding?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

A history of "reckless" behavior???? Where? When?? What???

He's had a few incidents in his life. For the most part he has been a great father and upstanding human being.

People like Tiger live under a microscope and the press blows up every little incident making them seem much bigger than they are.

1) He cheated on his wife with multiple women. If you think that he's the only celebrity to do this, you're naive. I don't mean to justify it, it was wrong, he fessed up and apologized and voluntarily sought counseling.

2) He had a car accident while under the influence of drugs. He has had multiple back surgeries and knee surgeries. He was given pain meds by his doctor and mixed some without realizing the effect they would have. Again, he admitted a mistake and never did it again.

Please list all of the rest of his history of reckless behavior.

Tiger Woods has accomplished much in his life and has done a lot of good for a lot of people. His TGR Foundation supports community-based programs that improve the health, education, and welfare of all children in America. Currently, the foundation has established several programs and events such as the TGR Learning Labs, Hero World Challenge, Genesis Open, The National, and Tiger Jam which all benefit and impact the lives of millions of children.

Millions of African Americans, mostly young people have taken up golf because of Tiger.

The Tiger Woods Foundation is about empowering minorities, especially underprivileged minority students. The TGRF’s goal is for these students to be given the support and resources needed to be successful in school and beyond. In over the 20 years that this foundation has been opened they have served more than 175,000 students, as well as employing 1,000 educators each year. The foundation has been so successful due to its goal of “developing self-advocacy skills in young people,” that their students have a 98.7% college graduation rate, which is one of the highest graduation rates of a scholarship program in the country.

And people want to hate this guy because he is human and made a few mistakes. He's used cuss words on the golf course and tossed a club on occasion, as have many golfers at every level including the PGA Tour. The difference with Tiger is that he's on camera way more than any other player so he gets caught more often.

Other than that, he works as hard as anyone that has ever played any sport in and effort to become the best that ever lived. That is a great lesson for your people. In fact it's a great lesson for all of us.

On top of all that, he's a great father to his two children. He spends a lot of time with them in spite of the fact that they live with their mother, with whom he gets along very well these days.

Tiger is human and has made a few mistakes, but the good that he has done for the world and pleasure that he has brought to millions of people worldwide far outweighs a few "reckless" incidents.

A history of reckless behavior? I don't think so.

IMO tiger’s biggest mistake was hanging around with the pro basketball players.

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Looking at the damage from what was obviously a serious accident, I think he has come away relatively well.
Cars safety features have saved him from more serious injury, or even death.
Can't see why some are knocking the car.
JMO.

I agree, Tiger living through that wreck is the best advertisement, for safety, that car could have.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

You really have to ask yourself why they cannot design a car like a NASCAR race car. These guys get in crashes at over 200 MPH and walk away fine or with minor injuries. Yes, once in a great while one of them gets killed which can be expected at these speeds but overall they walk away and I don’t believe these cars have air bags. In a typical passenger car or SUV you would not need roll bars as big as those used in a race car so they could be easily hidden in the interior. Put in the air bags and probably no one would ever get killed.

Cost is why. Crome moly tubing not cheap.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by airdale2

They keep making the consoles wider all the time. Too much boxing in for me.

Plus the laid back A pillar’s which I dislike

[Petersweeney]

Tiger has the highest of highs and the lowest of lows....I would not trade to be him for a billion dollars