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Taltarzac725 04-11-2012 08:11 AM

Sanford seems to be handling this mess fairly well.
 
Trayvon Martin: Sanford 'a kindling box' as prosecutor weighs charges | World news | guardian.co.uk

billethkid 04-11-2012 09:57 AM

when all gets said and done there were only two people present who know exactly what happened and why or why not. And one of them is no longer able to speak.

All the rest...the media...the lawyers pro/con....the man on the street...the race players Jackson/Sharpton (who have mysteriously vacated the scene)...the politicians...the celebrities...the forums....all have NOTHING but their respective biased opinions.....

unfortunately the media validates any or all of the above based on their sensationalism quotient....

Right now the side taking and ballyhooing by those not directly involved is akin to nothing more than sporting event like jousting....and about as superficial.

btk

CMANN 04-11-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 477948)
"Leave the poor guy alone"??? Wow ......"Since the evidence in this case ,Zimmerman acted in self-defense? Not defense you mean offense. Race Baiters? You mean all the photos on TV of all races of people protesting.

PROOF?

How many times do I have to say it. It was self-defense until proven otherwise!

:censored:

paulandjean 04-11-2012 10:21 AM

"PROOF" Somebody has to take their head out of the sand.Teen shot and killed. Your "BOY" George acting pretty strange now, Insanity plea possible? What do you think?

Taltarzac725 04-11-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 478058)
"PROOF" Somebody has to take their head out of the sand.Teen shot and killed. Your "BOY" George acting pretty strange now, Insanity plea possible? What do you think?

It is very hard to actually get an insanity defense to work. Cannot really see anything though that would allow George Zimmerman to use one. His behavior now is irrelevant to his state of mind when he shot Trayvon Martin which would be the issue with respect to any insanity plea. http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...y-defense.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense

Florida law with respect to the insanity defense-- http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/775.027

buggyone 04-11-2012 10:52 AM

Why can't some people understand that Zimmerman was told by the police operator NOT TO GO AFTER Martin? If he had just reported what he saw to the police and let the matter up to the police, this killing would not have taken place.

Zimmerman took the matter into his own hands after being directed by the police not to follow Martin.

JoeC1947 04-11-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 478058)
"PROOF" Somebody has to take their head out of the sand.Teen shot and killed. Your "BOY" George acting pretty strange now, Insanity plea possible? What do you think?

Holy Crap! The Black Panthers have a price on his head!! I would have been gone a long time ago. Seems like a very SANE thing to do.
What's with the word boy in quotes supposed to mean?

JoeC1947 04-11-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 477804)
As far as I know, CMANN, even if a shooter such as Zimmerman did act in self-defense (which has or has not yet been proved), they are still going to be responsible for their own legal fees. These legal fees can easily hit $50,000 to well over $100,000 - and those are not covered by insurance, Medicare, or Social Security! Those are your out-of-pocket fees.

If I am mistaken in the responsibility for the charged person to pay their own legal fees under the "castle law" or "stand your ground" law, let me know and please show me in the laws where it says a shooter does not have to pay for legal defense. Thank you. Friendship with me has nothing to do with this.

You can get a policy from the NRA to cover this type of thing.

skyguy79 04-11-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 478075)
Why can't some people understand that Zimmerman was told by the police operator NOT TO GO AFTER Martin?

Who said people don't understand what the police told Zimmerman? Nobody I know including myself. What it seems that way too many people don't understand is that under the US Justice System of our country, a person is ALWAYS presumed innocent until proven guilty, and so far there had not been a shred of "evidence" made public that can lead to that conclusion... just opinions, fabrications and conjectures! It's time for the justice system to be allowed to do their job without extreme intimidations and for the media and public figures to be scrutinized and held financially responsible for inflammatory comments like I heard on the TV yesterday where a reporter referred to Zimmerman as a "murderer" instead of an alleged murderer! Whatever happened to the use of the word alleged before someone is found guilty of something?

billethkid 04-11-2012 12:05 PM

if there was nothing but racist driven hate as well as prejudgement as well as the media hyping every fly spec to get this guy and there was still not enough evidence to arrest....how likely is it some of you would just be wandering around the area to see what could happen.

All of you would do just like he is. He has not been judged by the law to warrant an arrest. Like it or not he is a free man. He has been judged, tried and found guilty as well as bountys having been put on his head. If it was any of you would be out hiding under a rock as well.

His lawyers make a spectacle of no longer representing Zimmerman. Spouting off much more information and fuel for the media and the rest of the condemers. They did not do their client any service by using the words...we can't find him...that is very stupid and inflammatory and of course the evening news and way too many of you have picked up on the erroneous phrasing and once again extrapolating, with no facts, the man's guilt. The lawyers were not out trying to find Zimmerman. They were unable to communicate with him. And oh by the way while the "couldn't find" Zimmerman, they were aware Zimmerman was in touch with other folks.

The lawyers spun an inaccurate yarn and the gullible sheeple have run with the story and made up a new set of accusations. How would you like to be the object of as much hate? Would you be front and center telling your side of it?

I like many others will wait for real evidence and due process and hope those with the racist, lynch mob attitude do not prevail.

Lynch mob mentality.....nothing more.

btk

Advogado 04-11-2012 12:07 PM

Slanted news coverage and posts based thereon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 478075)
Why can't some people understand that Zimmerman was told by the police operator NOT TO GO AFTER Martin? If he had just reported what he saw to the police and let the matter up to the police, this killing would not have taken place.

Zimmerman took the matter into his own hands after being directed by the police not to follow Martin.

I am not defending Zimmerman, just attacking the disgracefully slanted media coverage of the incident and uninformed public comments based on that coveage. Contrary to what the media has almost uniformly reported and you have just stated, the police did not direct Zimmerman not to follow Martin. Please read the transcript.

The police dispatcher, in fact, told Zimmerman that the police didn't "need" ZImmerman to do that. That is hardly the same as "directing" him not to.

If you are going to make a very serious allegation against Zimmerman or anybody else, you should get your facts straight. Why don't you wait until the investigators and prosecutor do their job before making allegations that may turn out to be unfounded?

skyguy79 04-11-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 478120)
I am not defending Zimmerman, just attacking the disgracefully slanted media coverage of the incident and uninformed public comments based on that coveage. Contrary to what the media has almost uniformly reported and you have just stated, the police did not direct Zimmerman not to follow Martin. Please read the transcript.

The police dispatcher, in fact, told Zimmerman that the police didn't "need" ZImmerman to do that. That is hardly the same as "directing" him not to.

If you are going to make a very serious allegation against Zimmerman or anybody else, you should get your facts straight. Why don't you wait until the investigators and prosecutor do their job before making allegations that may turn out to be unfounded?

Facts? Aren't they all but extinct and irrevelent in most if not all forms of today's activism? Just saying!

Advogado 04-11-2012 12:34 PM

Facts, why do they matter?
 
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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 478127)
Facts? Aren't they all but extinct and irrevelent in most if not all forms of today's activism? Just saying!

Agree. Certainly the anti-Zimmerman lynch mob is not letting the now-publicly-known facts (or lack thereof) influences their rush to judgement.

janmcn 04-11-2012 01:22 PM

NBC News is reporting that criminal charges will be filed against George Zimmerman later today. Not saying what charges. They also reported that FDLE is not concerned about locating Zimmerman.

Taltarzac725 04-11-2012 02:47 PM

The Zimmerman charges news conference will be in Jacksonville.
 
Report: George Zimmerman will be charged in Trayvon Martin's death | jacksonville.com


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