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JMintzer 12-04-2022 07:06 PM

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jimjamuser 12-04-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2163343)
Special interests supply much of the money to the candidates and their party as the costs for campaigns continue to grow completely out of hand. Unfortunately that is unlikely to change anytime in the near future. The same can be said for any movement toward term limits for Legislators. We can always do better in the way taxpayer money is spent.

Many countries allow only one month of campaigning. In the US it seems like we must endure almost constant campaigning, lobbying, and fundraising. As far as term limits go, if I could change US Government, I would have a max of 2 terms of 5 years for Supreme Court Justices. They are NOT worth their lifetime appointment, none of them...........even Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

jimjamuser 12-04-2022 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2163365)
What??? Sorry, but all of that is so far from reality, that my jaw just dropped to the floor...

In the US there WAS a HUGE time delay before Covid was even acknowledged. Remember the cruise ship that was NOT allowed to dock..........because it would show the TRUTH about the existence of Covid which the US was pretending to DENY. Remember ALL the body bags in the NY City area where Covid 1st hit. Remember the total deaths of around one million US citizens. By my estimation at least 200,000 deaths were due to SLOW / DELAYED reaction to Covid. Remember the delayed acceptance of the Covid vaccine. That killed a lot of Americans. Remember that in some midwestern states only 50% of the eligible adults got their 1st shot. That was a DELAY. Countries like Australia and New Zealand reacted right away - they had experience with Pandemics before. They mandated restrictions and then got close to 100% shot acceptance when shots were available.

If someone says that the US reacted rapidly to the Covid Pandemic, they are engaging in revisionist history - like they do often in countries like Russia.

tuccillo 12-04-2022 09:02 PM

What loss of revenue are you referring to? We could try a novel approach; limit spending. Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 2163361)
Maybe the loss of revenue was tax cuts, hmmmm!


Aces4 12-04-2022 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2163392)
In the US there WAS a HUGE time delay before Covid was even acknowledged. Remember the cruise ship that was NOT allowed to dock..........because it would show the TRUTH about the existence of Covid which the US was pretending to DENY. Remember ALL the body bags in the NY City area where Covid 1st hit. Remember the total deaths of around one million US citizens. By my estimation at least 200,000 deaths were due to SLOW / DELAYED reaction to Covid. Remember the delayed acceptance of the Covid vaccine. That killed a lot of Americans. Remember that in some midwestern states only 50% of the eligible adults got their 1st shot. That was a DELAY. Countries like Australia and New Zealand reacted right away - they had experience with Pandemics before. They mandated restrictions and then got close to 100% shot acceptance when shots were available.

If someone says that the US reacted rapidly to the Covid Pandemic, they are engaging in revisionist history - like they do often in countries like Russia.


You need to fact check your details, waaaay off. Have you ever heard chatter from those shut down countries.. not happy citizenry. You seem to avoid adding the medical advice that was provided that slowed the reaction to COVID.

This country was shut down so long we are finally starting to recover from the damage but the school children have been left back in academics and socialization. Mandated vaccinations with newly developed, untested for long term effects vaccines.. I don’t think so. This is the USA where people still have a say, not Russia as you seem to be very close to their policies.

We still don’t really know how many people actually died from COVID who didn’t already have very serious preexisting conditions.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-04-2022 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2163396)
You need to fact check your details, waaaay off. Have you ever heard chatter from those shut down countries.. not happy citizenry. You seem to avoid adding the medical advice that was provided that slowed the reaction to COVID.

This country was shut down so long we are finally starting to recover from the damage but the school children have been left back in academics and socialization. Mandated vaccinations with newly developed, untested for long term effects vaccines.. I don’t think so. This is the USA where people still have a say, not Russia as you seem to be very close to their policies.

We still don’t really know how many people actually died from COVID who didn’t already have very serious preexisting conditions.

I find it ironic that some of the people railing against public education, who threatened to homeschool their kids and force schools to get rid of lousy teachers - were not capable of educating their kids when COVID gave them no other option. And no - they weren't busy working for a living - their jobs were shut down too.

Aces4 12-04-2022 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2163401)
I find it ironic that some of the people railing against public education, who threatened to homeschool their kids and force schools to get rid of lousy teachers - were not capable of educating their kids when COVID gave them no other option. And no - they weren't busy working for a living - their jobs were shut down too.

Poppycock. You have no idea how many employees were required to work from home with school age children during and now after covid. Children have returned to school but parents working from home still work through scheduled no school days and provide for their children.

You’re advocating for parents to leave their children with “lousy teachers” rather than trying to educate them in a better manor. I’m surprised, I always had the impression you would advocate for kids, they deserve a sound education.

I know parents with incredibly complicated work, schedules and meetings who performed exceptionally under such difficult conditions. They have my complete admiration and kudos to this age group for their savvy.

joelfmi 12-05-2022 07:45 AM

Unions protect workers' rights will nonu large company have right that are
 
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2162657)
Amazing how it is has to come to unions protecting workers for jobs that have no reason to exist. Once upon a time unions existed for a good reason, now not so much. Sad.

determined by their woke policies. As being a union and nonunion worker. I would prefer a union over a company like Lowes who is none union any day. These companies are only interest in their profits and not in their employees welfare and protesting their worker wright and paying them a none living

joelfmi 12-05-2022 07:58 AM

If it was not for good paying unions, we would be like the communist countries
 
[QUOTE=joelfmi;2163459]determined by their woke policies. As being a union and nonunion worker. I would prefer a union over a company like Lowes who is none union any day. These companies are only interest in their profits and not in their employees welfare and protesting their worker wright and paying them a none living[ wage

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-05-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2163410)
Poppycock. You have no idea how many employees were required to work from home with school age children during and now after covid. Children have returned to school but parents working from home still work through scheduled no school days and provide for their children.

You’re advocating for parents to leave their children with “lousy teachers” rather than trying to educate them in a better manor. I’m surprised, I always had the impression you would advocate for kids, they deserve a sound education.

I know parents with incredibly complicated work, schedules and meetings who performed exceptionally under such difficult conditions. They have my complete admiration and kudos to this age group for their savvy.

You're misreading. I don't think they are lousy teachers. I think they're lousy parents. I'm not the one complaining about lousy teachers and threatening to homeschool my kids. I believe in public education, paying teachers more, having department aides who assist those teachers. I come from one of the first "Open Classroom" public elementary schools in the country, and my mother was a teacher in the same school district for 30 years.

Aces4 12-05-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2163479)
You're misreading. I don't think they are lousy teachers. I think they're lousy parents. I'm not the one complaining about lousy teachers and threatening to homeschool my kids. I believe in public education, paying teachers more, having department aides who assist those teachers. I come from one of the first "Open Classroom" public elementary schools in the country, and my mother was a teacher in the same school district for 30 years.

We have teachers in our immediate family, wonderful teachers, and they will tell you there are many teachers who shouldn’t be in the classroom and the are too many educational demands from the government as to what will be taught.

Parents aren’t crazy, much has gone amuck. You went to school a long, long time ago and your mother taught many years ago, things have definitely changed.

This isn’t to say there aren’t wacky parents out there too with children they’ve messed up. Our family members should become authors and write about the situations they’ve seen, it would be very interesting reading.

The bottom line here are the kids that lost ground during the pandemic either through the isolation, teachers who couldn’t teach online, students who couldn’t learn online, poor financial situations which affected nutrition and so forth.

JMintzer 12-05-2022 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2163392)
In the US there WAS a HUGE time delay before Covid was even acknowledged. Remember the cruise ship that was NOT allowed to dock..........because it would show the TRUTH about the existence of Covid which the US was pretending to DENY. Remember ALL the body bags in the NY City area where Covid 1st hit. Remember the total deaths of around one million US citizens. By my estimation at least 200,000 deaths were due to SLOW / DELAYED reaction to Covid. Remember the delayed acceptance of the Covid vaccine. That killed a lot of Americans. Remember that in some midwestern states only 50% of the eligible adults got their 1st shot. That was a DELAY. Countries like Australia and New Zealand reacted right away - they had experience with Pandemics before. They mandated restrictions and then got close to 100% shot acceptance when shots were available.

If someone says that the US reacted rapidly to the Covid Pandemic, they are engaging in revisionist history - like they do often in countries like Russia.

They tried to block travel from China in the first month, fer chrissakes!

But some folks screamed "racism" and the plans were scrapped...

Where was the vaccine initially available? Oh, right, the US...

All the body bags (and ventilators) that were never used?

The Hospital ship that was rushed to NYC and never used? The huge field hospital that was never used?

How, pray tell, do you come up with your "estimate" of 200K deaths?

People not taking the vaccine was not a "delay" by those in the government.

Australia and New Zealand are ISLANDS, which could easily control who came in and out...

Your comparisons are invalid...

JMintzer 12-05-2022 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2163396)
You need to fact check your details, waaaay off. Have you ever heard chatter from those shut down countries.. not happy citizenry. You seem to avoid adding the medical advice that was provided that slowed the reaction to COVID.

This country was shut down so long we are finally starting to recover from the damage but the school children have been left back in academics and socialization. Mandated vaccinations with newly developed, untested for long term effects vaccines.. I don’t think so. This is the USA where people still have a say, not Russia as you seem to be very close to their policies.

We still don’t really know how many people actually died from COVID who didn’t already have very serious preexisting conditions.

And we never will...

JMintzer 12-05-2022 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2163401)
I find it ironic that some of the people railing against public education, who threatened to homeschool their kids and force schools to get rid of lousy teachers - were not capable of educating their kids when COVID gave them no other option. And no - they weren't busy working for a living - their jobs were shut down too.

Big difference in planning to homeschool vs immediately HAVING to homeschool...

And no, not everyone had their "jobs shut down" and were able to homeschool...

JMintzer 12-05-2022 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2163479)
You're misreading. I don't think they are lousy teachers. I think they're lousy parents. I'm not the one complaining about lousy teachers and threatening to homeschool my kids. I believe in public education, paying teachers more, having department aides who assist those teachers. I come from one of the first "Open Classroom" public elementary schools in the country, and my mother was a teacher in the same school district for 30 years.

There are plenty of lousy teaches, just as there are plenty of lousy parents.

Comparing teachers today to teachers from 50 years ago is a fool's errand...

My daughter is currently a teacher and she tells me horror stories... Stories of parents AND teachers...


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