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Jsan143 03-21-2021 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
Don’t know about you but I take a 95% chance of winning lottery ticket and buy 1000 of them with only a 5% chance of losing! Can’t believe they shut this country down for political gain.

Freehiker 03-21-2021 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
Cool. I have not stayed home during any of this and have no intention to do so. I wear a mask and use common sense.

I will not live my life in fear.

nhtexasrn 03-21-2021 08:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
You're joking right? I mean about staying home, wearing 2 masks, etc.? I'm vaccinated and am living my life as always. You must also consider mental health and it certainly is not healthy to isolate yourself from the world. Do what ever you want to do, but in my opinion, you shouldn't be encouraging others to be so negative and paranoid. Everyone must make their own decisions about how they handle this.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-21-2021 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 1918794)
[/QUOTE Smells like sarcasm to me
I’m glad someone gets it, Villages2013! I wonder how many also believe gullible is not in the dictionary!

This thread in and of itself has been an interesting social experiment which may or may not shed some light on how we react to what we hear in the real world.

loumazzio1 03-21-2021 09:05 AM
Don't know anyone who is staying home.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-21-2021 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Oneiric (Post 1918803)
LiverpoolWalrus- As many viruses mutate, new versions may appear on a regular basis. Therefore, will you stay in your house indefinitely?
Yes, forever. I have a lifetime supply of sanitizer to spray down my delivered goods after I quarantine them for a week. I don’t mind if the produce gets a little smelly.

turk3531 03-21-2021 09:12 AM
First off, "Are you kidding me?" I would be very interested in knowing how old you are, because, the flu, even with flu shots, hasn't gone away, and, people still go about their daily lives! This is just another , though stronger, form of the flu. So, with your line of thought, we should never leave our houses, for the rest of our lives! The best prevention is a strong immune system. And how do you get that? Get outside, in the sun and fresh air! Natural vitamin D, exercise, and, eat healthy.

Waltdisney4life 03-21-2021 09:13 AM
Sell that fear !!!

dms4rn 03-21-2021 09:24 AM
You should stay home forever. The boogie man will have a different name as soon as the government finds they are losing control over the populist. It has been shown multiple times that the numbers were inflated, tests are faulty, masks do not protect against covid, the vaccine is a money maker for the elite who created this hysteria, you are being injected with unknown ingredients with unknown long term side effects for a disease you have to get a faulty test to find out if you even have. Yea the real world isn’t for the fearful. Stay home

Lisanp@aol.com 03-21-2021 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by villageuser (Post 1918822)
From what i read yesterday in the CDC site was that only J&J has shown 100% protection against death. The other vaccines are at 85 or 86%. Also, the first two vaccines have an efficacy rate of 95% but one needs to remember that those trials were conducted without the variants. If they had been tried with the variants, their efficacy rates would be considerably lower than that number.
All of the trials were 100% effective in preventing death. The vaccine’s promise is that it will prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death - not that it will prevent you from catching COVID. Aside from the variants not being included in the trials as mentioned above, no one has yet mentioned the most important factor you all appear to be ignorant of - the trials were done while MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. The reason the vaccines have the high efficacy rates that they do is because THE TRIALS WERE DONE MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. I’m fully vaccinated, I’m going to fly for the first time in over a year next week, I see friends in a small groups, I go out of my house, but I remain MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED because if you don’t the virus will just go and find a host and keep us all in this nightmare for even longer.

Vaccination status is not a pass to take off your mask and go and party in the square. Go to the squares if you so please, but know you are still at risk of catching COVID at the exact same rate that you have been for over a year. What you hopefully will not experience is serious illness, hospitalization or death. Oh, and when you go to the square WEAR A MASK AND REMAIN SOCIALLY DISTANCED because that is why the trial efficacy rate is as high as it is. Maybe y’all should actually read that paperwork you were handed when you received your vaccines because THE TRIALS WERE DONE ON INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE MASKED AND SOCIALLY DISTANCED. The vaccination status is only part of the story.

Mrprez 03-21-2021 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1918828)
When I first read the OP's comments in post #1, I didn't realize his words were "tongue in cheek". I realize after reading more postings of his in this thread that first post was not only tongue in cheek while making his point but hyperbole. I get it now.
Same here, my sarcasm detector is in the shop.😂

OhioBuckeye 03-21-2021 09:30 AM
Ohiobuckeye
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
So if it doesn’t work at all, what are you out, it’s FREE. The president & V.P. got the shot. I’ve gotten both shots & I haven’t had any side effects from. The Covid shots aren’t mandatory, if you want it get it, if the # 1 & 2 people in the U.S. gets it, it must be safe. If only 5% isn’t completely safe that means 90% are. I would rather take a chance & be in the 90% category & not be 0% safe. Just my opinion, get it!

Sarahhayden 03-21-2021 09:35 AM
Living our lives
 
We have not stayed home for a year. We have flown all over the country. We eat out several times a week. We've gone on a few vacations. We wear masks only when requested, and never outside. Basically, We are living our lives and having a wonderful time! With the new 5% chance risk of infection - we will enjoy even more now!

DonnaNi4os 03-21-2021 09:36 AM
You are statistically correct. But continuing to stay isolated after vaccination doesn’t make sense for me. Perhaps it does for some and that is ok. We all need to stop being judge-mental but we need to be conscious of the risks to some of the population at highest risk. I continue to wear a mask in public, continue to wash my hands and use sanitizer. But I’m ready to get back to living, not ready to hang out in unmasked crowds that gather at the squares though. We must all do what is right for ourselves while keeping the welfare of our fellow man in mind because it’s the right thing to do. Stay safe everyone.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-21-2021 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DanBrew (Post 1918978)
Watch out for falling space junk. Asteroids are in the forecast.
Careful Dan, most are going to believe this. It’s not just TOTV, I’ve noticed the gullibility quotient is through the roof on all social mania. Interesting commentary about human nature and how easy it is to...well you fill in the blank.


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