You stats are flawed, what do y9u expect you going get?

Yes, the CDC just "makes up something by using anecdotal information"...[/sarcasm]

November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975 20 years, and that means we've had almost the same amt of deaths in a very much shorter time frame, in just Florida alone. The Afghanistan war: October 7, 2001 – August 30, 2021 - also 20 years, 2,448 military lives lost.

The Spanish Flu: Between September 1918 and April 1919, approximately 675,000 deaths from the flu occurred in the U.S. alone. Remember, they weren't too far advanced in the medical field.

My question to those who refuse to fight this, as a whole, is why do we have a defense department, to protect us against foreign enemies, when many of us don't believe we need to work together to defeat an unseen enemy here?

OK, if you say so. Maybe you'd like to show how they are wrong! SMH

you're my boy BLUE

I already did that...

I believe that the point was made about the state of New York, not only New York City.
Florida also has crowded cities such as Miami and Jacksonville as crowded as NYC.

How many of your neighbors in your building in NYC were over the age of 65? As has been pointed out, the percentage of the population over 65 is much higher in Florida than in most states. And obviously the most important point is that deaths per 100,000 places Florida tenth in the country.

Not quite the dire situation that the OP is trying to show.

Isn't this a political post without being political. I mean we all pretty much know what's being inferred here.

That doesn't make much sense. Want to rewrite that? You seem to be equating the idea of the gov fighting foreign enemies with all of us fighting the virus. I guess it makes sense to you.

US Population in 1918 = 103 million

US Population in 2021 = 333 million

I hope you can do the math but am doubtful based on posts in this thread.

No need to “make something up” - watch for yourself…
https://hoiabc.com/2020/04/20/idph-d...re-classified/

From what I've read, I doubt very seriously Ben Franklin would have been for total government control over it's citizens in the name of 'safety', but if I'm wrong and you can give me specific examples please enlighten me? Otherwise, you may want to consider a different avatar, maybe something more cartoonish (like mine!).

Yes, it does makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe you don't see the virus as an enemy. Why fight one enemy and not a different kind of enemy?

I was a huge proponent of universal masking prior to the vaccines. I remain a huge proponent of masking but now for people who are at risk of Covid and who can not receive the vaccine for what ever reason they may have. This includes children who are not eligible for the vaccine because of their age and also people who have medical issues and can not be vaccinated.

These vulnerable people who must be protected need to protect themselves. Yes, that includes children who should mask up when in public if their parents feel the need for them to be protected.

I'm fully vaccinated and at this point, I'm not wearing a mask to protect anyone who can easily protect themselves by simply wearing a protective mask such as an N95 mask or equivalent. I've done my part by being fully vaccinated and will gladly take a booster shot when I am eligible for that. Bring it on!

Has the flu EVER stressed our health care system like Covid has? Just wondering.

Agree. No way are China's numbers accurate. No way!

You didn't throw out any stats. You threw out some numbers and insinuated they meant something.

If 'died with COVID' is so funny to you, explain my previous post where a murder/suicide was counted as two COVID deaths.

Reading all your posts, 'fight this enemy' to you means, 'my way or the highway'.

There is no universal agreement on how to fight COVID.

Masks don't work.

I just made an appointment with my PCP for my Moderna booster shot for Sept. 24th. I'm over 65 but under 75.

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N95 masks are protective. They are part of the arsenal of PPE used by health care workers. If those who are unable to be vaccinated can not depend on those protective masks then that is just a horrible outcome for them.

Why? It's not yet been approved, unless you're immunocompromised...

Yeah, I noticed Ol' Ben Conveniently ignored that post...

Yeah, but most aren't wearing N95 masks...

Sure hope people are warned bf they get too close. Should you even go? Sweating and all...concerns me... in fact surprised it's not mandated.

I called the VA today , I’m 82 but
 

because I have no health issues , I’ll probably have to wait till first of month , I could go to my primary care person st VA who I only see once a year to stay in system but I don’t want to bother, I have excellent health insurance so I don’t go , I would if I didn’t have great health insurance to go with Medicare , the VA puts out a good product

Oh enough already. Too many people have died, unnecessarily. We have vaccines available, and studies show masks will help end the pandemic. Its that simple. Smarten up, get vaccinated, and wear a friggin mask when you need to.

Sorry, but I have no intention of wearing a mask. Oh, you said "when you need to." I won't need to. If you don't trust your vaccination, you certainly shouldn't trust a cloth or paper mask. But that is just my opinion.
We have a lot of people in the World so losing a few million won't make much difference. Won't even stop global climate change...:clap2:

The plague did. The flu did not.

And here's some really nifty news:

COVID-19, all strains from beginning in late 2019 til now, have caused or contributed to the death of more people who died from the BIG Spanish influenza (or complications of the Spanish flu) epidemic of 1918.

By "contributed to" and "complications of" I mean - people who would have lived longer, with a reasonable quality of life, but because of the illness, developed or exacerbated pre-existing medical conditions such that they ended up dead anyway.

So being 30 pounds overweight wouldn't have killed them, 20 years later. But being 30 pounds overweight AND having COVID-19, was the one-two punch that got them.

Having asthma wouldn't have killed them. But the combination of having asthma and getting COVID put them into a perpetual asthma attack that they were unable to get out of, and they died.

Pre-existing conditions are not usually deadly in and of themselves. But combined with a flu or virus, can be deadly. They would NOT have died, if they had NOT contracted the flu or virus. The virus isn't the actual thing that killed them. But it was the trigger, the thing that caused "death" to suddenly become a eventual result.

I can't believe that the moderator is continuing to allow this liberal political post. I guess only conservative posts get banned.

So the flu pandemic in 1918 did NOT stress the health care system at the time like Covid has done? I would love to see the documented basis for that assertion, when you compare the medical care available then versus now, and that the flu pandemic of 1918 killed 1 in every 150 people versus Covid which has killed 1 in 500. Here is a link to an article on CNBC that was published today with that data. Now I am going to undercut my own use of the data with this article as a reference, although the numbers cited from the article are consistent with what I have read in the past. Why am I undercutting the reference? The article was written by a Berkeley Lovelace Jr. and is entitled "Covid is officially America’s deadliest pandemic as U.S. fatalities surpass 1918 flu estimates". As you will see, the article title and the facts don't match up.

Reading through the article and not just the headline the author includes: "In 1918, for example, the U.S. population was less than a third of today’s with an estimated 103 million people living in America just before the roaring 1920s. Today, there are nearly 330 million people living in the U.S. That means the 1918 flu killed about 1 in every 150 Americans, compared with 1 in 500 who have died from Covid so far."

A pandemic which, by the author's own data, killed more than 3 times as many people (based upon the population size) was less deadly than Covid? So no, this is not the "deadliest pandemic" but it appears that the headline was more important than the facts. Had the title indicated that more people died than the Spanish flu, that would have been accurate based upon the presented data.

I'm not immune compromised but hasn't the booster been approved for those over 65? Now I'm starting to reconsider why my PCP office made an appointment for me.

Let me put it this way.........if it were me who is not able to be vaccinated, you can bet I would be wearing an N95 mask when out and about in public. I guess not everyone who is not able to be vaccinated for medical reasons feels the need to protect themselves with a protective mask, so that is on them.

But the science shows that vaccinated carry similar viral loads to the non vaccinated. Worry about yourself.

Study now shows that 50% of "Hospitalized" covid cases are actually mis identified. 50% of the number being put out are patients, many asymptomatic, who are in the hospital for something different (ie appendix).

This is so very true. Why is it that there are people who continually question and debate the number of deaths from or with Covid? I have said all along that people can live a long and happy life with a comorbidity while being treated with medication. Give them Covid along with the same comorbidity and that could very well cause their demise. Did they die of Covid or with Covid? Dying "with" Covid in that case should add to the total number of Covid deaths, IMHO.

Another example.......dying in a car accident that was not survivable while being positive for Covid should not add to the Covid death numbers. Again, my opinion.

I think you mean "thread", not post. A thread is the entire discussion. A post is a single response in the thread.

I may be cancelling my appointment for the booster. I'm waiting to hear from my PCP.

The press reporting something incorrectly? NO WAY!

Most are talking about things like an MI, or hospice patients, who were sent there to die...

And those have already added to the total # of Covid deaths...

But they do...