There are some here who think in just black and white.... and before anyone gets their panties hot, that's just a saying.

Again, some just think in black and white, with no middle ground,
you're for or against, you're a racist, bigot or not, I'm right you are wrong..............they just can't see, or don't want to see, learn, the whole picture. This discussion on The Civil War is a perfect example. These are the people you cannot argue or discuss delicate subjects with.
I'm always up for a good discussion but when people show their disrespect, and condescending, demeaning attitude towards others when they think and act "smarter", my way or the highway crap, the civil discussion ends.
Steve

Not true.

No one "had" to start bringing politics into it...you chose to do it.

Post #11 of this thread (poke here)

At least you admit to it, so you get a brownie point for that. :thumbup:

There is and was plenty of discussion, with a few links I might ad, by others, of the facts of,
and the history of The Civil War....FROM IT'S VERY BEGINNINGS . And for anyone with a modicum of knowledge about it no links are or should be necessary if you are smarter than a sixth grader.
Steve

You seem to be smarter than a sixth grader, where exactly did you think your thread would go?

ColdNoMore.:bigbow:
Thank you for this thread and posts. You give me hope that we are still on a good path in America. I still have friends, family and neighbors that hold views that the confederates should have won. I also thank TOTV for allowing this thread to continue. Any topic too sensitive to talk about can never get better.
:pray:

Taxes were a major reason.

Cold No More: The default for quotes is a beige background. So dark orange on beige is incredibly difficult to read for those of us who have not selected any other colors for anything and use the forum's default. We don't see a green background. But as I said - we can just highlight the quote and see it clearly, black text on ivory background, just like reading a real piece of paper :)

Thank you OBB. Apparently, he is using the Old Version of TOTV, which will go away anyway. Orange on Sahara Tan just won't get it and I doubt I will do the extra step of highlighting. Just plain old black text is good enough for most of us.

Can I proclaim my social justice warrior superiority by arguing for a war fought 160 years ago?

Asking for a friend.

From my point of view you can tell your "friend" that history is probably the most important area to understand and discuss.

I believe that history does teach as do most, but so often a negative historical event was the result of ignoring the past. I think those that posted are not "arguing" but discussing and offering viewpoints of that time in our history.

Disagreeing on events is not a bad thing EVER. Study is never bad.

TO demean those that study history and see it different than you instead of offering a thought out rationale for your opinion is, to me, a symptom of a total lack of understanding of the past, present or future.

TO ignore history and decide it is not to be talked about or studied, or understood by perspective is shallow and a blunt way to kill off debate.

Americans need to understand that that history is not just facts adding up to an agreed-upon narrative but rather a never-ending debate.

Debates like this forum started out are great. Some posters say forget it because it does not fit my idea of what it should be. I say, LISTEN AND LEARN. I spent most of my life in the world of government and those who I considered great men or women were not simply those I agreed with, but those who respected historical implications of the present on the future. If I did not agree, I still listened and learned and probably learned better lessons from those who disagreed with my viewpoint.

Every new idea needs context and knowing history helps provides context.

As I showed with my attachment, I'm using the "default" and the quotes...has a green background.

You may want to check your own skin options.

Regardless, once I'm forced to use the newer version, which I'm not going to yet as I don't know if I can get back to the original/this version...I'll pick something different. :shrug:

Excellent points.

I could live with just a "lack of understanding" (after all, some folks through no fault of their own...will just never "get it"), it's when a conscious decision is made to purposely refuse to understand and/or acknowledge facts...is where I have a problem. :ohdear: