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DAVES 04-15-2020 01:14 PM

There is no shortage of conflicting information
 
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746305)
I guess the fact that "respiratory microdroplets can stay in the air for up to several hours." kind of nullifies the 6 ft separation in a store plan. Apparently I can be infected by a person that was in the space several hours prior to my arrival.

Reality-6 feet. I do not claim to be an expert but I think it is safe to realize that with a wind blowing it would be less on the up wind side and more on the down wind side.

On the radio, I think that was where I heard it, they claimed the virus can live on your shoes for 3-4 days We are told on a cardboard box for hours. Simply makes no sense at all.

Similar conflicting information about dogs.

As to wearing a face mask while exercising. You should probably exercise alone. No shortage of videos. When, you exercise, you raise your heart rate, you need more oxygen and any mask will restrict your breathing-that is not good for you.

sallybowron 04-15-2020 01:48 PM

Plague
 
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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1746266)
Really? No need to walk with a mask.

This isnt the Bubonic Plague

It is not the Bubonic Plague for sure. We had a known treatment for that. Wear your mask if you are outside or near other people.:angel:

sallybowron 04-15-2020 01:49 PM

Plague
 
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1746273)

“Bubonic plague is fatal in about 50-70% of untreated cases, but perhaps 10-15% when treated.” At our age group because it cannot be treated at all, Covid-19 is not that different.

For us Covid is worse.:boxing2:

Topspinmo 04-15-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1746680)
Depends on how many others you encounter when you walk and how close you get. I can see that for some wearing a mask while walking makes sense. My wife and I know the peak times in our neighborhood and we wait for the lulls.

Who’s says the virus don’t carry with the wind? Up drafts could carry or for miles or hundreds of miles. I think there lots of thing that could be going on?

Velvet 04-15-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jet10s (Post 1746765)
YOU ARE KIDDING -- RIGHT NOW THE STATS IN THE STATES are a mortality of 0.7 percent -- and many of those people were with severe comorbidities -- I really laugh when I see people walking alone with a mask or even more hysterical is people driving alone in their cars with the windows up -- come on -- you will probably never have a normal life again -- this is nothing like a plague -- if you are so afraid -- just stay home FOREVER

In my age group death rate I figure around 7% so about half of treated bubonic plaque. Different age groups face different rates.

What I don’t understand is even if it is a low probability why would people not take precautions? It’s not that hard to put a mask on.

I read somewhere there is a town where if you step outside your house with no mask on you risk getting shot. I wonder if they count those deaths as Covid related too? (Ok, I’m kidding.) But not everyone is very tolerant.

bumpygreens 04-15-2020 02:59 PM

Unless you are very close to other people, contracting a virus outdoors in the fresh air and sunshine is very unlikely. But if wearing a mask makes you feel better, then go right ahead.

My question to everybody is what do you do with the mask when you take it off? I've seen a number of women pull a mask out of their purse to enter a store, and then put it back in their purse when they come out. If its a homemade mask, you should wash it before you wear it again. If it's a disposable like those used in hospitals, you should throw it away. The same goes for gloves. One wearing, and done. To do anything less, you risk cross-contaminating everything your mask or gloves touches

Velvet 04-15-2020 03:03 PM

You are right about how to safely handle the masks and gloves. We are all learning these new behaviors. For example, it took this virus for me to find out that I’ve never washed my hands effectively before.

yankygrl 04-15-2020 04:13 PM

CDC guidelines state NO MASK while exercising whether inside or out. Also remember to mask is only to stop YOU from spreading any virus to another, cloth or otherwise.

rlcooper70 04-15-2020 04:15 PM

The purpose of the mask is to prevent a "sneeze cloud" from occurring. That cloud spreads up to 14 feet (degrading as it spreads). However, in an outdoor environment is is more of a reminder for the wearer to avoid touching his/her face. Protecting the wearer from the outdoors ... not effective .... and likely just a statement that the wearer is concerned and safe.

prntxpresn 04-15-2020 04:34 PM

China
 
The truth of spread of the virus is in this video. It was also corroborated by a group of scientists who appeared on Dateline, I think. Length 55 minutes.
Must Watch Beginning to end if you care about the future of the US.

This may convince you. Too many very smart people reach the same conclusion!

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[Exclusive Report] The First Documentary Movie on Tracking Down the Origin of CCP Virus(Coronavirus) - YouTube

Scorpyo 04-15-2020 07:30 PM

Exercising?
 
I'm confused. I believe the original question was should I wear a mask when exercising. Now that you have a good excuse not to exercise why worry about a mask? Hey, just my opinion. Me? When I get the urge to exercise I lay down on my couch until the urge goes away. I wear a mask when I'm out in public period. You don't know who's going to walk past you and sneeze. That happened to me in Walmart the other day. Probably he had allergies but you never know. The problem with my masks is that my breathing fogs up my glasses. I know, get something to close the mask around my nose like a pipe cleaner. Have you tried to find pipe cleaners?

Velvet 04-15-2020 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1747058)
I'm confused. I believe the original question was should I wear a mask when exercising. Now that you have a good excuse not to exercise why worry about a mask? Hey, just my opinion. Me? When I get the urge to exercise I lay down on my couch until the urge goes away. I wear a mask when I'm out in public period. You don't know who's going to walk past you and sneeze. That happened to me in Walmart the other day. Probably he had allergies but you never know. The problem with my masks is that my breathing fogs up my glasses. I know, get something to close the mask around my nose like a pipe cleaner. Have you tried to find pipe cleaners?

You can tape the mask with skin tape or use transparent band aids. Skin tape doesn’t hurt when you peel it off. The idea is to try to seal the mask as much as possible.

rockyhyder 04-16-2020 01:46 PM

Reference please?
 
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1746249)
Yes, to prevent moisture escaping our mouths while breathing, talking or singing, if one is exercising near people. Studies show the louder noise we make from our mouths the further the droplets go. The mask also protects you from someone suddenly sneezing etc as you go by. And respiratory microdroplets can stay in the air for up to several hours. I wear my full face helmet while riding myself. At home on the treadmill I don’t wear a mask.

May I please have the reference for microdroplets remaining airborne for several hours? I’ve read several publications and haven’t seen this information. Thank you.

Velvet 04-16-2020 01:54 PM

I read the article to my hubby too but now I’m searching all my past researches. I will post the reference when I find it. I didn’t save it so I’m trying to go back on all my files.

Altavia 04-16-2020 02:16 PM

Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients | Annals of Internal Medicine | American College of Physicians

Neither surgical nor cotton masks are effective at stopping the new coronavirus from spreading when a person coughs, a study suggests. The authors of the paper, published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, said more research is needed to determine whether such masks prevent the bug that causes COVID-19 from being passed on.

Velvet 04-17-2020 10:57 AM

Honolulu Star Advertiser April 17:

“Now, according to a new study, 6 feet may not be enough distance around runners, joggers, brisk walkers and cyclists, whose exertions release respiratory droplets that can trail in their wake in what the researchers call their “slipstream.”

The researchers found the droplets could travel at least 15 feet behind a fast walker and 30 feet behind a runner.”

MisDav 04-17-2020 11:39 AM

If you aren't exercising close to someone else I don't see what the problem would be----I think you could go without a mask. I think exercising with a mask might cause oxygen problems. I'm not a nurse. But it makes sense to me.

Velvet 04-17-2020 11:57 AM

We are learning more and more about this virus to try to get it under control. I agree if you are not close to someone don’t need a mask. But not all people are considerate. We were walking on the street when a person ran up from behind a couple in front of us and he almost bumped them running past. One of the couple just shoved the runner to the side. I think people’s tempers are starting to flare when others won’t consider their safety.

Aloha1 04-17-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1748068)
Honolulu Star Advertiser April 17:

“Now, according to a new study, 6 feet may not be enough distance around runners, joggers, brisk walkers and cyclists, whose exertions release respiratory droplets that can trail in their wake in what the researchers call their “slipstream.”

The researchers found the droplets could travel at least 15 feet behind a fast walker and 30 feet behind a runner.”

Having lived in Hawai'i I can state that the Star Advertisers journalism is , at times, suspect. What study did they quote?? I would also point out that in a WH briefing about 10 days ago a reporter asked Dr. Fauci about the MIT study that said the virus could spread out 15 feet. He was very skeptical of this.

Velvet 04-17-2020 12:15 PM

Preliminary studies from Netherlands and Belgium. I understand what you say about newspaper journalism, but right now people are trying their best to understand this virus, often making mistakes as they go about it. But they are doing their best not to mislead you. What would it serve the Star Advertiser, aimed primarily at Hawaiians, to give them false information?

Aloha1 04-19-2020 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1748109)
Preliminary studies from Netherlands and Belgium. I understand what you say about newspaper journalism, but right now people are trying their best to understand this virus, often making mistakes as they go about it. But they are doing their best not to mislead you. What would it serve the Star Advertiser, aimed primarily at Hawaiians, to give them false information?

It doesn't serve anyone to publish incomplete and non objective information.


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