1. So you would support the continuation of illegals entering the country and not knowing if they are carrying TB measles etc?

2. Being engaged in America's security is the issue...illegals are in the shadows, here just long enough to send money home and then return to their native lands

3. Immigrants do take jobs Americans would do. Again the problem is that greed is filling those jobs with people who work for less. Absent immigrants the wage market would be force to rise to fill demand. Again government people wants votes and business people want low wages

4. One poster referenced bribes by border patrol as expressed by a Mexcian wishing to come to America. I replied that I could believe it. I believe it is naive to think that as corrupt as it is along the Mexican border that some taking bribes is a fact. I mean loo at the number of politicians in this country that take them everyday.

My only point is that there is a right way to enter this nation and a wrong way and the right way is through the front door. It should be obvious why that is important to America.

By the way I believe many of the people coming across the border are good hard working people and would make welcome additions to our country. Its just the way they are entering

Personal Best Regards:

Thank you for you kind words and understanding.

Nice post but it does not answer the question of "is this the compassion we are taught in church" or what we want our children to teach to their children.

Remember also, the SNAP program was dramatically cut for the feeding of American citizen children. I see the results of this every week at the food pantry where, yes, there are some illegal immigrants who are clients as well as many citizen families. There is a large drawing of Jesus at the pantry. What would He do?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps he might tell them, "You're sin is forgiven. Repent. Go back to your home country and do not sin again."

follow the link click here

No big deal but if life is so good in Mexico why would so many leave their loved ones to work here. Three generations ago that's why my family left Ireland, Germany and Italy. Me and mine owe them a lot. Maybe we owe them our lives. How brave they were. I don't think I would be as brave.

Would you?

Listen, this thread is about amnesty for millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. I NEVER said life was good in Mexico. You made a statement about the minimum wage in Mexico City which had nothing to do with the thread.

I simply thought your statement with no backup or context needed some. Things said out of context can be construed a lot of different ways. I simply put your fiscal comment in the proper context. That was it.

I literally did not make the comment you attribute to me...that life is good in Mexico or even imply it....I simply think if you post something like that it begs for relativity and that is all I tried to do.

Of course people come here for a better life and future, but anyone reading your post about the minimum wage IN MEXICO relates it to here and that is not the case.

That is it...nothing fancy. Just conversations need to be in the proper context or they get way off the mark.

It is the same thing as to your remarks on past cost of college. That has to be put into the context of how much salary is today versus then. NOTHING is that simple.

PS...all of us have similar stories about past generations for sure. Did your family come legally or illegally. WE still have 4.5 million people who have paid money and are still waiting to enter the front door and do it legally.

You begged for a link and I answered. I agree that I should have foot noted my source.

It is the same thing as to your remarks on past cost of college. That has to be put into the context of how much salary is today versus then.


Sorry I assumed everyone knows what the minimum wage is now and knows what college tuition is now. Do you need help finding that information?

PS...all of us have similar stories about past generations for sure. Did your family come legally or illegally. WE still have 4.5 million people who have paid money and are still waiting to enter the front door and do it legally.


I clearly have a lot to learn. My family came in through Ellis Island. They were healthy enough to stay. How do you pay your way in?

Don't be angry. Life is too short. I feel lucky that I am a boomer and that life has been easier for me than my folks, and for them again their folks. I wish I could pass that down to my kin and others who see America as a chance for a better life through hard work.

I am not angry...holy cow...

First on the costs...

"The funding for Obama's executive action is coming through the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, a fee, not tax based agency under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. Because the USCIS is a fee based agency, many have argued Congress cannot defund it. According to the Congressional Research Service, Congress does in fact have the ability to defund the agency through the appropriations process. "

But lets put that aside for a minute. The larger question is, who is paying these fees? Millions of legal immigrants are paying these fees, which are now being reallocated by the executive branch to legalize millions of illegal immigrants who have been living in the United States for years while failing to go through proper and long established legal channels to obtain citizenship or other legal status. From the USCIS.gov website:"

Cruel Reality: Obama Paying for Illegal Amnesty With Fees Paid by Legal Immigrants - Katie Pavlich

"years to happen, set immigrants and their families back thousands of dollars, and in some cases, all of that time and money is for naught.
But those who have successfully gone through the process, like Sheila and Josue Fuentes, say, “It’s definitely worth it.”
Sheila, 26, and Josue Fuentes, 33, of Fairfield, invested nearly $4,000 in application fees before Josue, a native of Venezuela, became a naturalized citizen on June 27. They decided to not retain an immigration attorney, said Sheila Fuentes, who grew up in West Chester Twp., because their cost could have easily been doubled “and for a young couple just starting out, that would have been difficult.”

Immigration process lengthy, costly | www.journal-news.com

"In April we called on legislators and the Obama administration to remove one of the biggest obstacles legal immigrants face: the cost of applying for citizenship. Legal permanent residents have followed the rules and are eligible for citizenship. However, their path to citizenship is hindered by an onerous fee structure intended to raise revenue, but has instead led to a sharp decline in naturalization rates. Today it costs $680 to apply for citizenship; up from $225 in 1999. In 2011, only about 8 percent of eligible legal immigrants applied for citizenship. We think the application fee is a factor in low application rates for citizenship.

We met with the president and with Secretary Johnson last spring to discuss implementing sensible minimum and maximum application fees. We also suggested creating a sliding fee scale based on household income and family size, and taking into consideration other family factors, like the age of an applicant and whether an applicant who is a minor is enrolled in school.

It's time to offer sensible application fees to legal immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship."

Application fee for U.S. citizenship is unaffordable - Chicago Tribune

I know what the costs of college tuition is today and I know the minimum wage thus will not need your help. You obviously missed my point about context on your min wage post

I just do not like threads like this who tend to want to make us feel uncomfortable or guilty about this situation. I feel really bad for those who are waiting in line to do it legally and I do not like the proliferation of false information to tug at our heartstrings. We are a country of laws, and we need to enforce our laws.

This thread was set up around the theme of compassion and that avenue of making americans feel , as I said, is very much overdone.

Do you really not understand who is paying for these 11 million ILLEGAL immigrants? Maybe the ones that are bemoaning these 11 million ILLEGAL immigrants are not flush with money as you may be?

Do you live in a border state? Have you ever lived in a border state? Have you ever shopped in a Walmart where all signs are in English and Spanish? Have you ever lived in a U.S. city where most residents did not speak English? Have you ever lived in a U.S. city where the non English speaking population has increased by 300% over the past 15 years. Have you lived in US city where Engligh is the minority language? If you answer NO to any of these questions, you do not really understand the problem. I have been there, done that. When 3rd generation families still do not speak English...we have a problem. No, this is not racist...this is a America where we speak Englush...I do not want to press one for English. I believe in LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Millions of illegal immigrants. Hmmm. Lets step back in time and ask "How would Ronald Reagan handle this?"

Ahhh yes the old "Reagan and Bush did it also" item....can count on it...

"President Obama repeatedly claimed that there is presidential precedent for the executive actions he took on immigration. But are the actions Obama announced really the “same kinds of actions” taken by past presidents?
Obama’s use of executive actions to defer deportation for up to 5 million people living in the country illegally relies on similar legal principles used by past presidents, although the issue of presidential authority may ultimately have to be decided in federal court. But there are some fundamental differences between Obama’s actions and those taken by past presidents.
The actions taken by Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — examples often cited by White House officials — were attempts to address ambiguities in an immigration law that was passed by Congress. Obama’s executive actions are different. They are a response to congressional failure to pass a law, and they affect a far greater number of immigrants currently living in the country illegally.
In his prime time speech, Obama twice emphasized that he was simply taking the same kinds of actions that were taken by past presidents."

Obama’s Actions ‘Same’ as Past Presidents?

Actually, there were done in concert with and in discussions with and approved by the congress.

"In 1986, faced with a large and growing population of illegal aliens, Congress created a new, time-limited form of immigration relief for certain aliens who, among other things, had to have come to the United States more than six years previously. This is the much ballyhooed Reagan amnesty. It was, unfortunately, riddled with fraud in its execution, the uncovering of which is still roiling the immigrant community. But even setting that aside it left President Reagan with a moral dilemma. Congress’ amnesty was large—just shy of 3 million people—and it had the unanticipated effect of splitting up freshly-legalized parents from their illegally-present minor children who did not qualify for relief.

So Reagan, seeing this family unity problem that Congress had not anticipated or addressed when it granted amnesty to millions of parents, issued an executive order to defer the removal of children of the people who had applied for immigration amnesty under Congress’ new law. He allowed those children to remain in the United States while their parents’ applications for amnesty were pending. A few years later, Bush 41 extended this bit of administrative grace to these same children plus certain spouses of the aliens who had actually been granted immigration amnesty under Congress’ new law.

Congress, though it had desired to grant amnesty, had not considered and not included the spouses and children. Importantly, nor had it excluded them. So Presidents Reagan and Bush 41 filled that statutory gap. “What do we do with spouses and children?” INS asked. “Well,” the executive branch leaders said, “defer their deportation. Decline to exercise your lawful authority for the particular cases that are related to those Congress has offered amnesty.”

These Reagan and Bush 41 executive actions were obviously different than what Obama is doing now. They were trying to implement a complicated amnesty that Congress had already passed. Congress’ action was a form of immigration relief that obviously fit within our constitutional system. Moreover, Congress left a gap when it came to immediate family members, including minor children, of individuals who qualified for the amnesty. Presidents Reagan and Bush 41 forbore from deporting people in that select group."

You might have missed that on MSNBC as it never seems to be reported.

Still wondering why President Obama did not actually issue the order being discussed ?????

Sounds like Reagan, Bush 41, and Obama showed some compassion. Nice.

I know what the costs of college tuition is today and I know the minimum wage thus will not need your help. You obviously missed my point about context on your min wage post

i did

As one who has paid Taxes all my life and currently pay $1300 for health care, i have a problem with going to the emergency Room and waiting in the back of the line of Non US citizens and Welfare people, And when I do get in I have to pay my $2500 deductable for my care and Guess who pays nothing ! Guess who's paying the cost of everyone in front of the line. Me thats who. great Country.

i would be angry too.