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fdpaq0580 11-01-2022 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by velvet (Post 2153418)
it sounds like you assume that the creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘in the beginning was the one who is called the word. The word was with god and was truly god’
so what could that word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the creator is that word.

"fire in the hole!"

fdpaq0580 11-01-2022 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2153183)
Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

Going home after finding out I had cancer, stopped to pick up a couple things. At checkout, the bored and tired employee said, "Have a blest day", with the same enthusiasm that you would feel mentioning that you have a flat tire. She didn't mean it. It was what she was told to say. And I sure didn't feel "BLEST" that day. Quite the contrary.

Richard Tahara 11-02-2022 05:21 AM

We don't actually die.
 
If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

PersonOfInterest 11-02-2022 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Tahara (Post 2153525)
If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

That would be nice. Do we get a body to go with it or are we just consciousness floating in space ?

fdpaq0580 11-02-2022 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Tahara (Post 2153525)
If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

Yes. Like a sugar crystal dissolving in a cup of tea. Dispersed among the stars. Each atomic particle, each bit of energy blending with the whole of the universe.

Byte1 11-02-2022 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2153418)
It sounds like you assume that the Creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God’
So what could that Word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the Creator is that Word.

An interesting point, since you used the quote in reference to the "WORD" used in the Bible. Many Christians believe that the "WORD" is also synonymous and referencing the SON of GOD in spirit form. So, Jesus had many labels, one of them being the "WORD."

Aces4 11-02-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2153492)
Going home after finding out I had cancer, stopped to pick up a couple things. At checkout, the bored and tired employee said, "Have a blest day", with the same enthusiasm that you would feel mentioning that you have a flat tire. She didn't mean it. It was what she was told to say. And I sure didn't feel "BLEST" that day. Quite the contrary.


At this point in our lives, sadly most of us have had our own crisis or family crisis with which to deal at one time or another.

That “bored, tired”, (in your opinion), person may have been dealing with an even larger crisis than yours. Extra kindness from your side of the register may have made a difference for her and you may be surprised what it can do for you. Unless someone is being intentional cruel, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t change everyone in the world.

MorTech 11-03-2022 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2153418)
It sounds like you assume that the Creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God’
So what could that Word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the Creator is that Word.

It sounds like you assume there was an imaginary "Nothingness" and then a "Beginning" somehow occurred and "One" appeared via magic when there was not a "One" to perform the magic.

MorTech 11-03-2022 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2153183)
Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

LOL! Especially because it's forced and insincere. It's like a mocking lie :)

MorTech 11-03-2022 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2152783)
But......I've "heard" we don't taste good.

Humans are too salty and Vegans are too gamey.

fdpaq0580 11-03-2022 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2153981)
Humans are too salty and Vegans are too gamey.

Wait! Are you saying Vegans are not Human? WOW!
😱

Velvet 11-03-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2153977)
It sounds like you assume there was an imaginary "Nothingness" and then a "Beginning" somehow occurred and "One" appeared via magic when there was not a "One" to perform the magic.

I follow what you are saying, I think … and I accept your understanding, it is your truth. Nice discussion.

MorTech 11-03-2022 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2154073)
Wait! Are you saying Vegans are not Human? WOW!
😱

That is correct :) Was A. Robustus human? :)

jimschlaefer 11-03-2022 01:01 PM

A Poem to Live By

“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

– Tecumseh, Native American warrior and leader of the Shawnee

Aces4 11-03-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimschlaefer (Post 2154220)
A Poem to Live By

“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

– Tecumseh, Native American warrior and leader of the Shawnee

He was one wise Indian, it appears.

fdpaq0580 11-03-2022 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2153875)
At this point in our lives, sadly most of us have had our own crisis or family crisis with which to deal at one time or another.

That “bored, tired”, (in your opinion), person may have been dealing with an even larger crisis than yours. Extra kindness from your side of the register may have made a difference for her and you may be surprised what it can do for you. Unless someone is being intentional cruel, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t change everyone in the world.

Actually, "bored and tired" was giving her the benefit of the doubt. My opinion, for certain. There are times in life when life seems to lose its luster. When your cup of human kindness curdles.

fdpaq0580 11-03-2022 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2153549)
That would be nice. Do we get a body to go with it or are we just consciousness floating in space ?

Sorry. No body. And no consciousness either.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2152800)
You have a problem when someone wishes you a good day because of what they might believe? I don't have a problem when an atheist wishes me a good day. When I remember Jewish holidays, I try to greet my Jewish friends with the appropriate greeting, just as they wish me Merry Christmas during the holiday season. I wonder what is really behind folks getting upset when someone is kind to them and uses a religious greeting of good will.
Have a GREAT day. :wave:

When someone says, "Have a blessed day", that is not the same as saying "Have a good day". Not to me it isn't.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2152842)
Good morning, coffeebean,

Although I see the flaws in organized religion, I remain a practicing Protestant — but I cannot comprehend certain churches where the sole — though they pretend it’s ‘soul’ — purpose is pounded into congregants by the “The Sermon on the Amount”…….

and all too often, the underlying — and not so underlying— misogyny and homophobia oozing from the pulpit. I also think churches that make politics a focus should lose their tax exempt status. But ( sigh) that ship has sailed.

But, per your comment about “a blessed day” — that does not offend me, but you wanna know what does…..

I about puke when I read posts that say, “Ohhhhh, we are so blessed to live in The Villages.” That kind of comment makes me think of that SNL “Church Lady” (Dana Carvey) doing the “Superior Dance”— perfect satire, illustrating one of the reasons organized religion keeps people out of a church community.

Good day, and back to topic now.

Boomer (who must be feeling like being a bit incendiary this morning)

Thank you, Boomer!

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2152890)
I think it’s OK to veer a little. I just see it as conversation. :)

Boomer

Very true. That is how conversations evolve. Happens all the time when conversing in person.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2152935)
To me “blessed” simply means “lucky” and the person saying it just wishes me well. I’d rather hear that than swearing, any time. It’s a reflection on them, not me.

I'd rather hear, "Have a good day or have a great day". I don't like it when strangers assume I have the same faith they do. I do not. Keep religion out of it, especially with strangers.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2153102)
How about just a simple, "Thank you for stopping in"? Or even "Have a nice day", "Great day", "wonderful day".
What is wrong with a generic pleasantry?
To you blessed = lucky. Not to the person who said it to you. They have invoked their God (most likely, Jesus) to intervene in your life. They are ministering to you in a very small and subtle way. It seems so bland and innocent and harmless. But it can be seen by those of other faiths as an insult and worse.
Keep it business like and generic. "Bye". "Enjoy the rest of your day".

You hit the nail on the head. Keep it business like, especially when dealing with strangers.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2153115)
May Allah be with you!

May Satan lick your soul today.


Would those be kind good greetings of good will to you? They are kind sayings if you are of the same belief. If your beliefs differ they can become offensive. Christians have a knack for thinking theirs is the only religion and their God is the one and only God. I'd love to see the reaction of a Christian being placed in a predominately Muslim environment or a Hindu environment. Would they then enjoy the religious greetings of goodwill they encountered?

That really explains it too. I appreciate your explanation.

coffeebean 11-03-2022 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2153492)
Going home after finding out I had cancer, stopped to pick up a couple things. At checkout, the bored and tired employee said, "Have a blest day", with the same enthusiasm that you would feel mentioning that you have a flat tire. She didn't mean it. It was what she was told to say. And I sure didn't feel "BLEST" that day. Quite the contrary.

Is it "blest" or is it "blessed"? Just wondering. I've seen it written both ways and assume it means the same thing.

fdpaq0580 11-04-2022 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2154360)
Is it "blest" or is it "blessed"? Just wondering. I've seen it written both ways and assume it means the same thing.

Blessed is correct, I believe. But, verbally it often comes out as "blest".

coffeebean 11-05-2022 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2154400)
Blessed is correct, I believe. But, verbally it often comes out as "blest".

Thanks.

Byte1 11-05-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2154357)
I'd rather hear, "Have a good day or have a great day". I don't like it when strangers assume I have the same faith they do. I do not. Keep religion out of it, especially with strangers.

You know what they say: "There are a Lot of converts in fox holes." Meaning, that when life is threatened folks suddenly start praying for help from some god or the GOD. I suspect that also pertains to many folks getting close to their expiration date, and more so on their hospital bed.
I normally say "have a good day or have a great day" but I have no problem at all when someone says "GOD bless you" or "Have a blessed day." I don't consider it religion, but would not have a problem if it that was the intent. FAITH and religion are not the same. If someone has a problem with good wishes from someone, regardless of belief then that is on them, NOT the persons wishing them well. As far as I am concerned, a "blessed day" is the same as wishing someone a "good day." I doubt very much that someone saying "GOD bless you" is wishing you ill will. That would not make sense, would it?

fdpaq0580 11-05-2022 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2154962)
You know what they say: "There are a not of converts in fox holes." Meaning, that when life is threatened folks suddenly start praying for help from some god or the GOD. I suspect that also pertains to many folks getting close to their expiration date, and more so on their hospital bed.
I normally say "have a good day or have a great day" but I have no problem at all when someone says "GOD bless you" or "Have a blessed day." I don't consider it religion, but would not have a problem if it that was the intent. FAITH and religion are not the same. If someone has a problem with good wishes from someone, regardless of belief then that is on them, NOT the persons wishing them well. As far as I am concerned, a "blessed day" is the same as wishing someone a "good day." I doubt very much that someone saying "GOD bless you" is wishing you ill will. That would not make sense, would it?

No, it might not make sense, as you put it. I will occasionally use "Bless you" when someone I know sneezes. They understand it as a kindness. I don't use it with strangers.
Also, more often than not, it seems that "have a blest day" is delivered monotone, without sincerity. That is when I find it most irritating. As mentioned earlier, "a good grunt" would be more genuine and even more appropriate.
Most often when someone says "have a nice day" or "have a blessed day", I respond with, "and you, as well", and smile. People don't generally mean to offend, but sometimes they do. That is why generic greetings and well wishes is best, imho.

Freehiker 11-14-2022 02:25 PM

You cease to exist and your body rots until it’s just gone.

fdpaq0580 11-14-2022 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Freehiker (Post 2157555)
You cease to exist and your body rots until it’s just gone.

Yep!

Byte1 11-15-2022 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2155030)
No, it might not make sense, as you put it. I will occasionally use "Bless you" when someone I know sneezes. They understand it as a kindness. I don't use it with strangers.
Also, more often than not, it seems that "have a blest day" is delivered monotone, without sincerity. That is when I find it most irritating. As mentioned earlier, "a good grunt" would be more genuine and even more appropriate.
Most often when someone says "have a nice day" or "have a blessed day", I respond with, "and you, as well", and smile. People don't generally mean to offend, but sometimes they do. That is why generic greetings and well wishes is best, imho.

If people are offended when I say "Bless you" then there is something inherently wrong with them. Kind of like using the label "Miss or Mrs" instead of "Ms." If they are offended, then that is their problem, not mine. If they prefer to be called something else, I will accommodate them unless they wish to be called "Mr." when they are definitely a "Mrs or Miss." Out of courtesy and respect, I attempt to greet folks with a reverent greeting according to their beliefs, if possible. I attempt to respect one's culture, but not at the expense of my beliefs. If that bothers other folks, then like I said, that is their problem to deal with. I recently saw a guy with a T shirt that said "You find it offensive? I find it funny. That's why I am happier than you." Perhaps some folks are just too sensitive. Or maybe they are being disingenuous with their attempt to act offended over perceived mistakes in decent folks' civil interactions with them.
Asking the question of what do we think happens to one when they pass is an invitation to discuss religious beliefs. Some of us expressed our beliefs knowing that others would immediately jump in there to disparage. No big deal. I find it interesting that folks get riled up and aggressive at the mention of ANY religious conversation.
Believe me when I say that when someone says "GOD Bless you" or just "Bless you" they have no nefarious intentions. Most likely, it is a greeting from their heart, whether it is said off offhandedly or with warmth. It's not meant to offend.
I sincerely wish you a joyous afterlife.

Aces4 11-15-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Freehiker (Post 2157555)
You cease to exist and your body rots until it’s just gone.

Yep, as quoted in the Bible, “ashes to ashes, dust to dust”. :thumbup:

Aces4 11-15-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2154360)
Is it "blest" or is it "blessed"? Just wondering. I've seen it written both ways and assume it means the same thing.

Blest is the archaic form of blessed and either is correct with the exception of when blessed is used as a two syllable adverb and not a verb.

Byte1 11-15-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2157791)
Yep, as quoted in the Bible, “ashes to ashes, dust to dust”. :thumbup:

Not quite an accurate quote from the Bible, but I believe they got that from Genesis:
"In the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread, Till though return unto the ground; For out of it wast thou taken: For dust thou art,"

fdpaq0580 11-15-2022 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2157806)
Not quite an accurate quote from the Bible, but I believe they got that from Genesis:
"In the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread, Till though return unto the ground; For out of it wast thou taken: For dust thou art,"

We are golems?

Aces4 11-15-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2157875)
We are golems?


You’re much wiser than that, nice slight.. if that is where you were headed. :angel:

MorTech 11-16-2022 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigSteph (Post 2151971)
You know they say the residents of The Heavens move, on average, about 3 times.

...And then they die?

MorTech 11-16-2022 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2152472)
Why "must" a creator be all knowing, or even conscious? Humans create many things, as do other animals. We are not all knowing. Earth, fire, water, wind, the natural forces create but are neither all knowing or conscious. Why "must" there even be a creator? I have heard many times that the universe works like a fine watch, and that was their proof. Look at the universe. Chaos! Galaxies colliding. Stars exploding. Black holes sucking up everything that comes within their gravitational influence. The universe is more like the swirling chaos of an explosion, rather than a fine, smoothly running watch.

Creator must be pretty smart just to be able to create a hydrogen atom...From nothing. All-knowing and a magician.

Think about that one...You magically appear from nothingness and the first thing you want to do is create a hydrogen atom? I would first create Taco Bell and Supermodels.

MorTech 11-16-2022 04:26 AM

God once made me get a "D" on a Physics exam because He/She/It/Them/They/One/+ thought I was "Playing God" by interfering in God's realm.

coffeebean 11-16-2022 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2157712)
If people are offended when I say "Bless you" then there is something inherently wrong with them. Kind of like using the label "Miss or Mrs" instead of "Ms." If they are offended, then that is their problem, not mine. If they prefer to be called something else, I will accommodate them unless they wish to be called "Mr." when they are definitely a "Mrs or Miss." Out of courtesy and respect, I attempt to greet folks with a reverent greeting according to their beliefs, if possible. I attempt to respect one's culture, but not at the expense of my beliefs. If that bothers other folks, then like I said, that is their problem to deal with. I recently saw a guy with a T shirt that said "You find it offensive? I find it funny. That's why I am happier than you." Perhaps some folks are just too sensitive. Or maybe they are being disingenuous with their attempt to act offended over perceived mistakes in decent folks' civil interactions with them.
Asking the question of what do we think happens to one when they pass is an invitation to discuss religious beliefs. Some of us expressed our beliefs knowing that others would immediately jump in there to disparage. No big deal. I find it interesting that folks get riled up and aggressive at the mention of ANY religious conversation.
Believe me when I say that when someone says "GOD Bless you" or just "Bless you" they have no nefarious intentions. Most likely, it is a greeting from their heart, whether it is said off offhandedly or with warmth. It's not meant to offend.
I sincerely wish you a joyous afterlife.

How about those 72 virgins?


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