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chrissy2231 10-19-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2148654)
You can tell when someone has experienced it as they will always attempt to describe the time/place but never have the ability to put it into words. It's 'simply tremendous' is a start though. Out Of Body trips are equally as emotional.

YES! You are an Advanced Soul & very wise...

ex34449 10-19-2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2148657)
YES! You are an Advanced Soul & very wise...

You're too kind. I appreciate it but it was all an experience you couldn't help but learn from. No one ever forgets and some get driven pretty deep down the rabbit hole/s that they're led to because of it.

chrissy2231 10-19-2022 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2148659)
You're too kind. I appreciate it but it was all an experience you couldn't help but learn from. No one ever forgets and some get driven pretty deep down the rabbit hole/s that they're led to because of it.

Yes, that is very sad! Much of Humanity is suffering and I try to help, understand and forgive all.

ex34449 10-19-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2148663)
Yes, that is very sad! Much of Humanity is suffering and I try to help, understand and forgive all.

Not really sad that I've experienced or heard but I've not met many that have gone there. Some are driven deeply into religion, others far far away. I think I was fortunate as I was never either and came out of it to examine the experience from and with an open outlook... if that makes any sense. lol
I wouldn't trade the experience for anything and look forward to it again to be honest.
I must say, I admire what you posted, I try and do the same. You have a good and warm heart!

jimjamuser 10-19-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2148581)
So important to leave the world a better place and work on life lessons. Everyone needs to avoid inheritance taxes.

I think that the point of my dissertation was NOT to avoid paying estate taxes because it prevents a return to kings, kingdoms, Princes, and dictators, which NO ONE of any good faith wants. Joseph Stalin FORCED communists to be atheists.

tvbound 10-19-2022 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2148656)
You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back.

"You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back."


I can tell that you mean well and don't have any ill intentions toward me personally (unlike a few here ;) ), but nahhh, I think I'll pass on purposely wishing I was dead - even if it was only short & temporary. LOL

If you get the chance, you should really try to watch this weeks episode of 'The Good Doctor' I mentioned, as I think you would really enjoy the 'near death' story-line part of it.

I also hope that some of the usual suspects, don't jump on your "I want to go back" comment...as that would simply be mean and unwarranted.

fdpaq0580 10-19-2022 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2148330)
When you hear Eric Clapton sing as well as many others it seems that is proof of God.

Saw him in concert in Mesa or Tempe, AZ in July of 1974. 18 July 1974 - Eric Clapton & His Band

Seeing Clapton does not prove God. It only proves Clapton. Sorry!

fdpaq0580 10-19-2022 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2148393)
Atheism is NOT a belief. It is quite the opposite. Those who DO NOT believe cannot have a belief.

Disagree! Atheism is not a "religion". But, believing God does not exist is still "believing".

MorTech 10-19-2022 11:20 PM

We revert back into stardust...Like everything else in physical reality.

PersonOfInterest 10-20-2022 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2148811)
Disagree! Atheism is not a "religion". But, believing God does not exist is still "believing".

A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:39 AM

Thank you and I'm glad I got to meet you electronically.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2148871)
A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.

Agree to believing in God. Organized Religion is dangerous. God is in our heart.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2148742)
"You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back."


I can tell that you mean well and don't have any ill intentions toward me personally (unlike a few here ;) ), but nahhh, I think I'll pass on purposely wishing I was dead - even if it was only short & temporary. LOL

If you get the chance, you should really try to watch this weeks episode of 'The Good Doctor' I mentioned, as I think you would really enjoy the 'near death' story-line part of it.

I also hope that some of the usual suspects, don't jump on your "I want to go back" comment...as that would simply be mean and unwarranted.

I didn't write about wishing to be dead. I will watch it. Ex34449 is the poster. I am never mean.

ex34449 10-20-2022 08:50 AM

"A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true."
That's part of it. This is also from Merriam Webster
: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed
an individual's religious or political beliefs
especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
the beliefs of the Catholic Church


"To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing."
Not believing and choosing to not have a belief are two entirely different situations.

"But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free."
haha Again from Websters... : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

"Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me."
It doesn't to me but who cares. = )

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2148871)
A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.

God is in our heart. Organized religion is man made and one of the causes of war.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2148013)
I guess the good news is that my cell phone is still working, somewhere

We are God and God is in us. Most are not working on their life lessons. People live in fear or love. Most have trouble choosing the best option.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2148656)
You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back.

I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.

ex34449 10-20-2022 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2148994)
I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.

Nope, valid question. I have a wife and dog I have to outlive to provide them safety, comfort, and security. I'd never take myself out of the picture but I sure miss the place greatly. I'll say this, when the time comes, I'll have a smile on my face.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2148969)
"A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true."
That's part of it. This is also from Merriam Webster
: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed
an individual's religious or political beliefs
especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
the beliefs of the Catholic Church


"To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing."
Not believing and choosing to not have a belief are two entirely different situations.

"But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free."
haha Again from Websters... : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

"Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me."
It doesn't to me but who cares. = )

To me, one can not simply choose to believe. Like Yoda said to young Luke, "you "do", or you "do not". There is no "try" (choose). Belief or lack of belief in God(s) is visceral.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2022 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2149002)
Nope, valid question. I have a wife and dog I have to outlive to provide them safety, comfort, and security. I'd never take myself out of the picture but I sure miss the place greatly. I'll say this, when the time comes, I'll have a smile on my face.

Thank you. I feel the same way.

ex34449 10-20-2022 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2149007)
To me, one can not simply choose to believe. Like Yoda said to young Luke, "you "do", or you "do not". There is no "try" (choose). Belief or lack of belief in God(s) is visceral.

I've no idea as there is only one mind I'm sure of, mine. Whatever happens that makes a another believe or not to a God or anything for that matter is a trip they took.
To me, one can choose anything to believe in. Or not.

Byte1 10-20-2022 11:32 AM

I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2148994)
I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.

You're mixing me up with two others who replied, or you may have misinterpretated my responses to them.. I'm in The Now and believe in Reincarnation.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2022 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2149086)
You're mixing me up with two others who replied, or you may have misinterpretated my responses to them.. I'm in The Now and believe in Reincarnation.

Page 15, post 212. My question to that poster was a serious question. The answer I received was, imo, humble, caring, rational, and healthy.
As to your belief in reincarnation, there are those cases who seem to provide evidence toward that possibility that cannot be dismissed. I find those cases very interesting.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2149045)
I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.

Would you tell me where that is?
I'm working on my Life Lessons to lessen how many I'll have to work on when I reincarnate.

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2147683)
Yah! If you had to be reincarnated, and could choose, what would you be and why. Go for it. Could be a funny thread.

Hopefully, I would become a Mother. Didn't want to in this life.
I lived in Phila, & I won 1st place in my office's "best resemblance to a dog" contest. I won as an Afghan at age 24.

What about you?

chrissy2231 10-20-2022 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2147991)
Having been dead and not at all religious... it was quite peaceful. Never saw any supreme being either good or bad. Just an indescribable peace and understanding of everything. It took me months to relive what I had experienced in as many seconds. Still haven't completed the job as I've started to forget many of the finer details of the trip.
If and when it happens again, I Do Not want to come back.

Sometimes I wonder if Earth is Hell, although I do not believe in Heaven or Hell?

tvbound 10-21-2022 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2149045)
I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.

"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'

rhood 10-21-2022 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2147240)
Kind of like the question "What is Love?":thumbup::thumbup:

When you're dead, you don't know that you're dead. All the pain os felt by others. Same thing happens when you're stupid.

Byte1 10-21-2022 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2149273)
"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'

Yep, I have FAITH. Is that hard to believe? Do I really "KNOW?" I am just counting on the promise that Jesus/GOD gave us in the Bible. They call that "faith." Better to have faith than to die miserably with nothing to look forward to. I have not seen ANY indication that reincarnation exists. But I am counting on the promise that GOD gave us that we do not just cease to exist. Jesus said that where he was going there was many rooms and that he was going to prepare a place for us when we went (paraphrased). Christians call that heaven. I am counting on having one of those rooms. I think that I would rather live with GOD than be reincarnated as something that lives in today's world. But hey, everyone has their own preference. God never mentions anything about reincarnation but their IS reference to an alternative to Heaven. I am not trying to convince anyone to join me; just explaining my "faith" to you in response. It would be the easy way out to believe that when you passed, there was nothing on the other side. That way, there would be no threat of moral or ethical reckoning for sin. Unfortunately, GOD states that "all have sinned..." so if GOD is real and one passes, they have a reckoning whether or not they believe. The ONLY way to forgo the punishment is via Jesus, according to the Holy Bible. BUT, that is my belief/faith as you mentioned. Of course, if I am wrong and the non-believers are right, then I have lost nothing. If I am right and the non-believers are wrong, they have lost EVERYTHING. I am no better than anyone else. I just accepted GOD's promise/gift. I hate to see others suffer, but GOD does not force anyone to accept HIS gift. That's each individual's choice. Kind of like having a complete stranger walk up to you and give you a check for $5000 with a stack of old references stating that this person is an honorable and honest person. It is your choice as to whether or not you believe that check is legit or not. Until you cash it, you don't know. However, if there is an expiration date on that check you might lose that gift if you do not believe(have faith) it's legit and do not cash it while you can. Maybe that is not a good analogy.
By the way, the Bible is the most widely published book in the world. It is historically and mathematically accurate. Just an interesting fact.

"What do you think happens when you die?"
I believe that I will go to be with the Lord.

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2149273)
"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'

I'm not in the "telling it like it is" category. Having been a searcher and seeker all my life, I was constantly drawn to meetings and literature about Reincarnation. Makes the most sense to me. I never try to convince anyone to switch their belief or lack therefore.

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by deej012160 (Post 2147689)
John 3:16 says it all. "For God so loved the world (all of us) that He gave His only begotten son (Jesus) so that whoever believes in Him will not perish (be banned to an eternity away from God, in Hell) but will live everlasting life (will live in eternal paradise with God)." Think about it, Jesus left Heaven to come down to earth, live a perfect, sinless life as a human, then in obedience to the Father went to a terrible death on the cross to pay the price for all of our sins so that we would not have to pay the price for our sins. ---posted in love from a Bible-believing Christian---

I can't make sense out of "then in obedience to the father went to a terrible death on the cross to pay the price for all of our sins so that we would not have to pay the price for our sins." God is All Powerful. He gives Life Lessons to Earth's humans every lifetime. Don't understand why he wouldn't instill in each of the sinners consciousness that would not allow them to commit anymore sin? God always forgives, and he created each of us in his image. I question what needs answers for me. I also question Reincarnation statements that confuse me; then research tofind the answers.

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2147615)
Evangelical atheist...?

No, Reincarnationalist. I am a searcher and a seeker. Humanist Club's last discussion "Did Jesus Really Exist?" The most amazing thing is that this Club is ACCEPTANCE at its finest. Anyone who wants to speak in the follow up discussion can. I spoke 4 times and a few others spoke multiple times. It is important to me to find out peoples' beliefs; hence, this post!

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2147611)
Sounds great to me.😴

When you wake up, it's a "New Life" with oodles of "wake-up" calls so you can learn the Life Lessons you didn't in your last lifetime.

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:28 AM

And like Snow White, you will be awoken in a "New Life" so you can work on the Life Lessons you didn't learn in your last life I'm sure you and most people have seen/met people who are very far advanced along life's journey.

Byte1 10-21-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2149422)
When you wake up, it's a "New Life" with oodles of "wake-up" calls so you can learn the Life Lessons you didn't in your last lifetime.

Interesting. So, where did you come from, previously? I've never met anyone that has been reincarnated. Or, is there some unwritten law that says you are not allowed to know anything of your past life?

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2147635)
I believe you because you believe it. And all your other posts seemed to be logical and normal. In 1992 my wife and I were babysitting a friend's children one summer night in Arizona near Sedona. We saw some lights circling in a large ring about mid-sky, or about 45 degrees. I said that I was going to walk up with the friend's dog and maybe get a better look at it. My wife was spooked and did NOT want me to go. Of course, I went anyway. out of curiosity, I suppose. I watched and petted the dog for about 1/2 of an hour and walked back. It kept up all night. And the sunrise washed it out. Our friend lived there for 10 years and had never seen that. And definitely, no mushrooms were involved. It was probably an inversion layer of some kind reflecting light from some airport. But, the light rotation looked like something from a Star Wars movie!

I believe in Aliens and always have. They are a much more advanced civilization, and their "TV" time must be watching we humans of which many are violent, mean, uncaring and lacking empathy. I'm sure no one will believe this...BUT...while living in LI, NY, quite a few times, I woke up with needle marks on my arms (no, not those needles!) I have no recollection, but do believe experiment were performed to understand human life. On rare occasion over the last 6 years, here in The Villages, the same thing has happened to me.

Two Bills 10-21-2022 10:41 AM

So many beliefs, and not a shred of evidence too prove any of them!

chrissy2231 10-21-2022 10:51 AM

I don't remember; many do. In the 1980s, I had a reading from Past Life Regressionalist who had my name and nothing else. Through 5 lifetimes, she spoke of issues about my not having children. In this lifetime, I didn't want children. So, she had Multi-Sensory Perception. This will probably make you laugh: My FAVE food hobby is picking clean the meat off turkey and chicken frames. This leads me to believe I POSSIBLY was a cannibal in last lifetime. My KARMA was having a horrific childhood filled with emotional and physical abuse. I have worked on oodles and oodles of Life Lessons, and my next lifetime will give me the opportunity to work on the ones I didn't.

Byte1 10-21-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 2149436)
I don't remember; many do. In the 1980s, I had a reading from Past Life Regressionalist who had my name and nothing else. Through 5 lifetimes, she spoke of issues about my not having children. In this lifetime, I didn't want children. So, she had Multi-Sensory Perception. This will probably make you laugh: My FAVE food hobby is picking clean the meat off turkey and chicken frames. This leads me to believe I POSSIBLY was a cannibal in last lifetime. My KARMA was having a horrific childhood filled with emotional and physical abuse. I have worked on oodles and oodles of Life Lessons, and my next lifetime will give me the opportunity to work on the ones I didn't.

Duh!! Ok, so you got me. I should have caught on from your first posts, but I went along with it. I actually thought you were being serious and that you really were a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Thanks for the laugh..............


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