Originally Posted by AJ32162 (Post 1123179)

How many murders do think occur because the perpetrator lacked the proper firearms safety training?

Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 1123191)

What we know for sure is that doing nothing will change nothing, and, as it relates to the American epidemic of mass shootings over the past 20 years or so, I think most people are not satisfied with that.

Originally Posted by Jimturner (Post 1123037)

I understand, but for your inconvenience of qualifying for concealed carry gives more in a way of protecting me from you. Again, if you failed to qualify to carry, l don't want you to own a gun. I want more qualified men and women to carry, but less that do not qualify.

Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1123198)

We have SOME police that should not CARRY!....Right? I don't know WHAT the answer is to this problem but the US has MORE problems with mass killings than any other country. How is this possible, that the United States has the MOST problems with mass killings? Where do we start???

Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1123202)

Has anyone ever heard a compelling argument that changed their position?

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 1123208)

No, but I've made a few that have changed other's positions!

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1123131)

oddly enough Oregon does allow people with guns on campus:

Students who have proper paperwork are allowed to carry guns on campus. Oregon is one of seven states where lawmakers have said people with concealed weapons permits must be allowed to bring concealed weapons onto campus.

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1123197)

As tragic as these shooting are, are you ever troubled by the fact that they seem to get all the press? In reality, about two-thirds of all gun deaths are suicides. The over whelming number of gun deaths of blacks are by other blacks. The reality is that there are mental health issues involved and you can not legislate these away. Family and friends must take action when people they know are having issues.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1123239)

You are mixing mass shooting with everyday shootings. Apples & oranges .

Originally Posted by Jimturner (Post 1123025)

I am a gun owner and can't imagine not having them. But not making the ownership more controlled is irresponsible.
The good guy bad guy or the silly guns don't kill people argument is worthless.
People with mental problems buy weapons and make long term plans to carry out their craziness. Background checks would help. I would propose to own a gun, you would be required to meet or exceed the requirements for concealed carry. If you can't qualify for concealed carry you should not own one.

Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1123091)

Strange that the prez mentioned the Oregon shooting but not the 50 shootings in Chicago over the past few weeks...

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1123187)

the thing is, I don't think anyone here has said people shouldn't be allowed to own guns. But like everything, there's a responsible way and this way where people can buy guns that kill many people in a short period of time.

and I will tell you having worked with mentally ill people for many years, it's not them I'm afraid of. True schizophrenics usually are too disorganized to do something like this. It's the undiagnosed, and less apparent, personality disorders that scare me. The person who has become angrier and angrier over the years because life hasn't gone his way. Think road rage or the movie theater incident where the guy shot someone for texting. The kids who are bullied. Think Columbine. This Oregon shooter who apparently lamented he had no girlfriends ever-- but had 4 types of guns available to him. The Sandy Hook kid who should never been left alone with access to guns--but hey his mother was a gun enthusiast so she has her rights--too bad she didn't realize she also had a responsibility by owning them.
What's the answer--more armed guards at all campuses--even community colleges that don't have dorms. then it will be somewhere else and the gun lobbyist will be calling for armed guards there....playgrounds, movie theaters, the squares of the Villages...anywhere people gather. or we can take an honest look at how this can be regulated to better protect everyone while still guaranteeing peoples right to protection.