Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 654232)

Very well said. On this site,if you disagree with that majority.you are "labeled" Seems lots of people see things through rose colored glasses.Lots of the old timers on here are like they have their opinion and that is the only correct one. I have to admit,I like to "egg on" a few,and I hope it gets them thinking.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 654387)

Well, lets say that everyone is right. If that is a fact, then I would rather hear folks talk about how good things are and stop whining and complaining about things they signed up for and cannot change anyway.

We have traveled all over the world and I say for us: The Villages is the best of the best and if its not for you, then chilout and let me enjoy it.

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 654483)

And aren't you lucky you got to learn about bonds, the IRS investigation, and sinkholes on TOTV so you could make an informed decision while doing your due diligence on The Villages, things you might not have learned from your sales person. You're welcome.

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 654483)

And aren't you lucky you got to learn about bonds, the IRS investigation, and sinkholes on TOTV so you could make an informed decision while doing your due diligence on The Villages, things you might not have learned from your sales person. You're welcome.

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 654232)

Very well said. On this site,if you disagree with that majority.you are "labeled" Seems lots of people see things through rose colored glasses.Lots of the old timers on here are like they have their opinion and that is the only correct one. I have to admit,I like to "egg on" a few,and I hope it gets them thinking.

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 654069)

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.

As far as offering links instead of hashing out the same stuff time after time, that is a good idea, but it does take time to research and find the links. Not everyone has that kind of time.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 654686)

Senior. I just love you. I cannot wait to meet you in person. You have to be one of the best cooks in this country and one of the best mom's. I have read what you have to say on a lot of subjects and find you interesting, well read, fair and very caring.

I am so hoping to be your really friend.

So I feel compelled to point out the truth to you.

THIS is Utopia!

Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 654686)

Senior. I just love you. I cannot wait to meet you in person. You have to be one of the best cooks in this country and one of the best mom's. I have read what you have to say on a lot of subjects and find you interesting, well read, fair and very caring.

I am so hoping to be your really friend.

So I feel compelled to point out the truth to you.

THIS is Utopia!

Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 654643)

Trust me, I do my own research and that does not include taking financial advice from some unnamed source on any blog. Complainers are in business to disrupt and spread rumors for their own personal satisfaction. Give me facts and I will listen, give me your negative opinion and you shut my eyes and ears to worthless gossip.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 654691)

It itches a little this morning.

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 654687)

EXCELLENT POST. Most people who have lived to our age and "been around", traveled and seen all types of environments in which to live, do not have a pollyanna train of thought. Nothing in life is perfect. It also depends on where someone just came from. What they are comparing things to.

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 653634)

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

Originally Posted by duffysmom (Post 654942)

Bill you certainly do NOT come across as arrogant. I have found your info to be very helpful so please ignore the negative nellies and continue to be your generous self.

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 654887)

So true. We too have traveled and seen many types of environments, and am happy to call the Villages home. The Villages is wonderful, but not perfect. Why that statement riles some people is beyond me. They must be insecure. The easiest way for me to deal with the pollyanna types has been to put a block on their posts. :girlneener:

Originally Posted by CaptJohn (Post 655004)

...........
Being a proofreader most of my life, I've learned to read anything I'm going to respond to for 3 reads. When one does that, it's amazing how many things one misses the first two reads. Doing the same thing when writing letters keeps from insulting people unintentionally.
Be kind, use the 3 times rule! :laugh:

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 655145)

There are people who are trolls who just go around looking to make trouble. Then there are those people who are just disagreeable people, and then there is me.

Hello..I'm Mack and I'm an internet fighter. (Group says..Hi Mack!)

What I have found is that when I run across something that I find so stupid, so arrogant, so ignorant or so goofy, I have the urge to speak up.

However..the angel on my shoulder tells me to just shake my head and SHUT-UP and go over to the thread about ice cream and ask where the ice cream stand is located that everyone's talking about.

Unfortunately, Beelzeebub is sitting on my other shoulder telling me to go bite whomever it is that has wrankled my undies. Again..unfortunately, the forked-tailed one wins out more than he loses, and the next thing I know I am wasting my time in a worthless full-out verbal snowball fight with some "ghost" on an internet board.

Sigh.

The internet can offer some valuable information, and I have learned a lot of good things off TOTV. I have even found my new internet BFF (G-Person)However..the temptation to fire off at somebody anonymously is far too great.

There's an old PA Dutch saying.."We grow too soon old and too late smart".

Amen.

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 655145)

There are people who are trolls who just go around looking to make trouble. Then there are those people who are just disagreeable people, and then there is me.

Hello..I'm Mack and I'm an internet fighter. (Group says..Hi Mack!)

What I have found is that when I run across something that I find so stupid, so arrogant, so ignorant or so goofy, I have the urge to speak up.

However..the angel on my shoulder tells me to just shake my head and SHUT-UP and go over to the thread about ice cream and ask where the ice cream stand is located that everyone's talking about.

Unfortunately, Beelzeebub is sitting on my other shoulder telling me to go bite whomever it is that has wrankled my undies. Again..unfortunately, the forked-tailed one wins out more than he loses, and the next thing I know I am wasting my time in a worthless full-out verbal snowball fight with some "ghost" on an internet board.

Sigh.

The internet can offer some valuable information, and I have learned a lot of good things off TOTV. I have even found my new internet BFF (G-Person)However..the temptation to fire off at somebody anonymously is far too great.

There's an old PA Dutch saying.."We grow too soon old and too late smart".

Amen.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 654987)

Does that mean the pollyanna types are wrong and don't have a right to voice their opinion?

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 655393)

I thought one of the fun parts of being on a forum was having a screen name and avatar. Trust me, you would much rather see a picture of my dog than one of me, who doesn't photograph all that well. And for what purpose would you want to have my name, Cyndy Witzke, other than to find me at Crispers or the Toojay's liver & onion dinner? What exactly would you do with my name? When I PM people, I use my name.

This is actually only the third forum I've ever been on. The first is a travel forum, the second was an expat forum, and now this one. The other two used screen names and avatars.

So here I am, but I doubt I'll ever find a decent enough picture of myself to put up here, so I offer my dog, who's a heckuva lot cuter.

I enjoy the diversity here, but not the nasties. Also, I think some days we're all just in a bad mood. Like last night.

Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 655405)

I think a lot of people on here know who I am & where I can be found. LOL :icon_wink:

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 655409)

Although in this day & age that's not necessarily a good thing. To some extent, anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing. There are far too many people who if they know your name, can find out all the rest they need to know and the results can be bad.

The down side is you have the trolls who are looking to make trouble who operate with a loud mouth and an ill will with no consequences for their actions.

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 655409)

...anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing...

Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 655482)

Yep, nobody should feel obligated to divulge their personal details if they don't wish to. My avatar is a real picture of me though. Yes...I am a fish. :^)

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 655409)

To some extent, anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing. There are far too many people who if they know your name, can find out all the rest they need to know and the results can be bad.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 655501)

The previous Admins of TOTV advised me when I joined in 2007 that members should NOT use real names or divulge the Village in which they live, for security reasons. Especially when members talk about leaving their property vacant for the summer months. Or that they sleep with all their windows open.

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 654069)

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.

Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 662771)

As a new member here at TOTV and just having found this thread, I was about to respond.

Your excellent post, now makes my detailed response unnecessary. :thumbup:

As with many bulletin boards, there is usually a small group who tries to dominate and ram their agenda down other people's throats.

Some are very adept at doing it, mostly with a sugary smile and disingenuous flattery.

I say to them, back off and accept those who are offering their own opinion.....and/or constructive criticism.

.

Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 655525)

Those admins were absolutely right! I know for a fact and from personal experience that there's at least a few members of this forum that will even go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset. That's the bad news! However, there is some good news.

Those that I know of who engage in this kind of blunt and direct negative behavior haven't been around much and haven't even posted for at least the last four months, unless they're using a second member account. That doesn't mean though that there haven't been some insensitive, mean spirited and hurtful things stated recently, but in those cases I believe that they were not personal and possibly not intentionally made, even though they did hurt me deeply in ways nobody else knows... nobody! :sigh: