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CoachKandSportsguy 07-05-2024 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2347325)
Raising taxes on the rich will not solve the problem.

It did in the thirties when no one was working and the rich had to pay to put people back to work. As the lower income tax base becomes smaller due to few job opportunities, who can foot the increased tax bill?

Cliff Fr 07-05-2024 11:41 AM

Like the old saying goes: there is no free lunch. Eventually it has to be paid for. I remember back when we had a budget surplus. There was talk then of paying down the debt with the extra money. That never happened.

Stu from NYC 07-05-2024 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2347357)
Real simple, government has to stop wasteful spending and they won’t. Why are we spending? I think $60 billion on student loan bail out? Why are we spending billions on illegals coming into the country and we’re not even taking care of our military?? The government spent $6 billion on EV charging stations and only have six installed so far. Every bill passed by congress should only have one item on it. 20 or 30 people tack on stuff for their district like $5 million for a library or $10 million for a zebra museum or some stupid crap.
The one thing our founding fathers screwed up was not putting term limits on Congress.
I’m afraid it’s too late now🤬

Or put an ending date on everyone program that is passed. Agree that every bill passed should have one item on it.

Also the president should have a line item veto power

Topspinmo 07-05-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGal (Post 2347384)
To countries we owe money to, we should say, "For the foreseeable future, we can pay only principal, not interest, until the debt is paid. This may change; we'll let you know."

To government leaders, we should say, "Reduce the size of government by at least 25% within five years, or we, the taxpayers, will stop paying taxes." With enough citizens withholding taxes, there's no way the IRS could pursue them all.

To the American people, our leaders should say, "We must undertake an austerity program. We can no longer pay for other countries' security; they must pay us."

The above would be just a start, but I believe we can greatly reduce the national debt.

We could if there was interest in doing so.

Or no foreign aid till debt paid and only after balanced budget.

Topspinmo 07-05-2024 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2347352)
3 1/2 years has nothing to do with it...........it went out of whack after a balanced budget existed...........since then its all their faults, in that way no one is to blame........just rhetoric...........its a non issue until action is taken not rhetoric


So 14 trillion more debt has nothing to do with it. :oops:

Runway48 07-05-2024 12:30 PM

Every legitimate government has a fundamental obligation to protect its citizens. Beyond that, everything else is dependent upon the wealth of the nation. A nation that has debt exceeding its GDP is not wealthy. Being a politician is a really good gig that few want to give up. The easiest way to get re-elected is to give money away. Strick terms limits may not solve everything, but it may allow politicians to do what's right for the future of the country and remove the temptation to spend excessive amounts to garner votes for re-election.

SHIBUMI 07-05-2024 12:50 PM

Debt
 
It's obviously just numbers..........until someone is forced to deal with it.........no one in 20 years has stepped up to that plate.......so it's a non issue until then.........


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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2347401)
So 14 trillion more debt has nothing to do with it. :oops:


LeRoySmith 07-05-2024 12:56 PM

The federal government collected nearly $4.5 trillion in revenue in fiscal year 2023. They spent ~$6.2 trillion in FY 2023. This is not a one or the other party problem, its an all government and all citizen issue.

Who can spend more than they make year after year and stay solvent?
Who in their right mind thinks this is 1 little tiny bit ok?

ThirdOfFive 07-05-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Runway48 (Post 2347403)
Every legitimate government has a fundamental obligation to protect its citizens. Beyond that, everything else is dependent upon the wealth of the nation. A nation that has debt exceeding its GDP is not wealthy. Being a politician is a really good gig that few want to give up. The easiest way to get re-elected is to give money away. Strick terms limits may not solve everything, but it may allow politicians to do what's right for the future of the country and remove the temptation to spend excessive amounts to garner votes for re-election.

Of late I've been of the opinion that we should choose our office-holders, for whatever office from 1600 Pennsylvania on down to dog-catcher (do they still have those?) the same way we pick juries. Draw a name at random from a list of persons qualified to serve for whatever office needs to be filled, and the person drawn must either serve or have a darned good reason why not. One term only; following service that person is forever exempt from further drawings. Of course the bennies should be liberal: salary commensurate with the responsibilities of the position, free housing and living expenses for both the office holder and immediate family, travel and moving expenses as needed, plus full medical insurance for the office holder and family. His/her former job, together with expected advancements and pay increases, guaranteed to be there when his/her term is completed.

I challenge anyone to come up with a reason why such a system would be any worse than what we have now. I can't think of any. I CAN come up with quite a few reasons FOR such a system however.

Fastskiguy 07-05-2024 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2347415)
Of late I've been of the opinion that we should choose our office-holders, for whatever office from 1600 Pennsylvania on down to dog-catcher (do they still have those?) the same way we pick juries. Draw a name at random from a list of persons qualified to serve for whatever office needs to be filled, and the person drawn must either serve or have a darned good reason why not. One term only; following service that person is forever exempt from further drawings. Of course the bennies should be liberal: salary commensurate with the responsibilities of the position, free housing and living expenses for both the office holder and immediate family, travel and moving expenses as needed, plus full medical insurance for the office holder and family. His/her former job, together with expected advancements and pay increases, guaranteed to be there when his/her term is completed.

I challenge anyone to come up with a reason why such a system would be any worse than what we have now. I can't think of any. I CAN come up with quite a few reasons FOR such a system however.

You might not get top flight talent with that scenario and you need some semblance of continuity….but then again, the current system has given us two, um, interesting options for the next 4 years. I like your idea!

Joe

Stu from NYC 07-05-2024 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2347409)
The federal government collected nearly $4.5 trillion in revenue in fiscal year 2023. They spent ~$6.2 trillion in FY 2023. This is not a one or the other party problem, its an all government and all citizen issue.

Who can spend more than they make year after year and stay solvent?
Who in their right mind thinks this is 1 little tiny bit ok?

Which is why it is pathetic we keep reelecting the same people who caused this problem


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