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Golfingnut 04-04-2014 06:01 AM

What if all magnets on the earth are strengthened and join forces, could that crush the earth into space dust from an EMP Bomb?

senior citizen 04-04-2014 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulfhills (Post 854559)
I remember reading a book a few years ago about surviving the economic collapse in Argentina. Can't remember the name of the book, but it was written from first hand experience.

Being prepared is always wise. I myself would stock up on non perishable foods, medicine, cash, etc etc. Almost like you would for a hurricane, but for a longer period of time. Would love to have a ham radio.

Hopefully this would never happen, I'm too old to survive long....LOL....




[ame="http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving/dp/9870563457"]http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving/dp/9870563457[/ame]


THE MODERN SURVIVAL MANUAL: SURVIVING THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
Fernando Aguirre, author

I agree with your second paragraph. We always have cases of tall bottles of Poland Springs water......would increase that in Florida. Ditto, agree with your suggestion re cash. Cash is king. People wouldn't be able to access their bank savings accounts or use their credit cards. Cash is necessary.


Also, if possible, those who live near the ocean would be better off as they could at least fish.......even without a boat.
If they didn't live in a planned community, but in a normal house with their own land, they could garden for veggies, etc. and somehow exist...........not luxury meals but food.......seafood and veggies. Fruit trees would help out as well.

p.s My husband said we would freeze to death in Vermont. It has been a harsh winter, the worst we've ever encountered. At our age, chopping and stockpiling wood would not be an option.........perhaps a pellet stove, but even that is a daunting task.........with all the hills and uneven terrain just on one's own property, people would be better off in Florida..........perhaps with an ocean breeze?





Golfingnut 04-04-2014 06:16 AM

What will happen first? EMP Bomb or economic collapse? I guess it would not matter, if you have a deep enough bunker filled with enough survival rations you will make it. I wonder how deep we can dig in here in The Villages before we hit the water table.

senior citizen 04-04-2014 06:31 AM

Union of Concerned Scientists wonder where our electricity comes from
 
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/smart-energy-solutions/decrease-coal/where-does-our-electricity.html#


Very interesting......stay with this slide show and then click on Florida (when map shows)......


Where does all of our electricity come from????
Where do our other resources go? For all states.
Wonders the Union of Concerned Scientists of Cambridge, Massachusetts





Lauren Sweeny 04-04-2014 07:04 AM

I think it will all boils down to the" haves and have nots" as far as who endures any calamity that befalls us
Those people who have the various resources including; sensible thinking, good health , guns food ,water,sanitation, shelter, medical provisions and barter goods, will survive most catastrophic events.
Chaos will reign,various gangs will join together using brute thinking and fire power. Those surviving will be in pockets of habitable areas. Problems of overcrowding, lack of the above provisions would lead to disease and depression. Would you and your loved ones want to survive in these conditions?

Golfingnut 04-04-2014 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 856195)
I think it will all boils down to the" haves and have nots" as far as who endures any calamity that befalls us
Those people who have the various resources including; sensible thinking, good health , guns food ,water,sanitation, shelter, medical provisions and barter goods, will survive most catastrophic events.
Chaos will reign,various gangs will join together using brute thinking and fire power. Those surviving will be in pockets of habitable areas. Problems of overcrowding, lack of the above provisions would lead to disease and depression. Would you and your loved ones want to survive in these conditions?

Good point about supplies including a gun. If you have the food without a gun it won't last as long when your friends find out your not armed.

senior citizen 04-04-2014 07:18 AM

You are right on target with your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 856195)
I think it will all boils down to the" haves and have nots" as far as who endures any calamity that befalls us
Those people who have the various resources including; sensible thinking, good health , guns food ,water,sanitation, shelter, medical provisions and barter goods, will survive most catastrophic events.
Chaos will reign,various gangs will join together using brute thinking and fire power. Those surviving will be in pockets of habitable areas. Problems of overcrowding, lack of the above provisions would lead to disease and depression. Would you and your loved ones want to survive in these conditions?


You are right on target with your thoughts. Bartering will be especially important. Gold also will help with the bartering process.......plus any other basic goods you mention above.

Cities would not be a good place to dwell, in my humble opinion.

Alas, at our age.......we would not survive as well as the young.


(I still remember what devastation hit the elderly during Katrina; both in hospitals, nursing homes and out in the streets, on bridges, etc., without water, food, transportation.....a horrific memory, to say the least....and that was a natural disaster, not a terrorist attack, etc., etc.)

jblum315 04-04-2014 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=senior citizen;856156]We often discuss this very subject amongst ourselves.....
Terrorists would do more damage by just screwing up our power grid.

[B][I]If anyone recalls the New York/New Jersey "blackout" of 1965

Yes, I remember it well. I was home with a 2-week old baby. My husband walked home all the way from Wall St. to E. 82nd St. A neighbor offered me candles. City police climbed the stairs and knocked on every apartment door. There was no rioting, very little looting. The blackout 10 years ago was not so peaceful.

buggyone 04-04-2014 09:24 AM

Let's elect Mel Gibson or Kevin Costner as President. Both of them have had experience with this type of thing in "Mad Max" and in "Water World". chilout

Midvale 04-04-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 856275)
Let's elect Mel Gibson or Kevin Costner as President. Both of them have had experience with this type of thing in "Mad Max" and in "Water World". chilout

Ha, " Waterworld". Too bad Dennis Hopper isn't still available!

Chi-Town 04-04-2014 09:55 AM

A new life awaits you in the Off World Colonies...... Blade Runner

TexaninVA 04-04-2014 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 854546)
I've recently learned about the potential of either an EMP bomb (electromagnetic pulse bomb), or a significant solar flare, to totally disrupt our society by completely disrupting our power grid for a very long period of time. It would eliminate all electrical power, so NO communications or operating cars or refrigerators or water/sewage treatment plants or food distribution or medicines or deliveries of anything to anywhere.

Reportedly, this is entirely possible, by either a normal action of the sun or by an EMP bomb set off in the atmosphere over mid-America. Such a bomb exists and is available to unfriendly irresponsible countries who only need launching capabilities.

My question is, what would you do in this event? I'm thinking many of us would die in a very short period of time. I'm also thinking that this is a forum of well-educated, bright people who know things. Please enlighten me.

EMP is a low probability but high impact threat in the event it happens. The simple way to summarize the consequences of a successful EMP attack is the US would be transformed overnight into a mid-19th century economy ... ie no electricity at least not on the same massive and reliable scale as we currently enjoy (and take for granted too I might add)

The most likely perpetrator of a an EMP attack IMHO is Iran. The tactic would be to load a small missile each onboard several tramp steamers in a covert manner, get the ships somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico, Florida Keys etc and launch 3 or 4 to take out the Great Satan. They would go for a high atmospheric bursts.

The other implication of a an EMP attack is pretty much instant WWWIII ... ie no matter who the president is (left or right) there would absolutely be some type of nuclear retaliatory attack, even if we weren't sure who launched the EMP. It simply could not go unanswered.

Carl in Tampa 04-04-2014 07:19 PM

We could do it.
 
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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 854546)
I've recently learned about the potential of either an EMP bomb (electromagnetic pulse bomb), or a significant solar flare, to totally disrupt our society by completely disrupting our power grid for a very long period of time. It would eliminate all electrical power, so NO communications or operating cars or refrigerators or water/sewage treatment plants or food distribution or medicines or deliveries of anything to anywhere.

Reportedly, this is entirely possible, by either a normal action of the sun or by an EMP bomb set off in the atmosphere over mid-America. Such a bomb exists and is available to unfriendly irresponsible countries who only need launching capabilities.

My question is, what would you do in this event? I'm thinking many of us would die in a very short period of time. I'm also thinking that this is a forum of well-educated, bright people who know things. Please enlighten me.

Scenarios like this were commonplace during the Cold War but in addition to the EMPs wiping out unprotected equipment using electronic chips, there was the additional element of mass casualties.

And, the fact is that there is a lot of back up infrastructure in place to respond to a nuclear disaster. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was created to provide for continuity of government; disaster response to natural disasters was a secondary mission.

The fact is that people in the older demographic, such as our community, are more likely to perish in greater numbers in a short time than would be the case with younger, healthier populations. This is partly because of the loss of adequate medical support and supplies, and partly due to the decrease of food supplies and clean potable water.

Physically able people who have been active hunters, fishermen and outdoorsmen, and particularly those with camping equipment and supplies would be able to move to the woods and live off the land.

With the coming of winter, those in the northern states might find survival more difficult than those living off the land in the south.

In the cities it is likely that groups would form for mutual protection and foraging for food. And of course there would be roving gangs of outlaws that would prey on the undefended and rob them of their resources. Those who are armed and skilled in the use of firearms would be more likely to survive in these conditions.

We had a viable civilization before electricity was harnessed for our use. We could continue without it. It would simply require us to adhere to the oft-used Marine Corps slogan, "Adapt and Overcome."

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Lauren Sweeny 04-05-2014 03:10 AM

In my previous post I mentioned the need to barter during a catastrophe . I began to think about what would be most valued in such a situation. I came to the conclusion that in the first few days, weeks, money and gold etc. may be valued BUT in time , the following would have a higher trade value.
Potable (clean ) water, foods high in protein and carbs,. Any and all kinds of antibiotics,antiseptic ,pain medication , medical paraphernalia ,vitamins etc
As time wore on some small communities could grow : herbs for healing,veggies or fruit from garden plots , raise and slaughter chickens pigs goats etc. Horses,bicycles guns and ammo would also be highly valued.
Yes , it would be back to the pioneer days of co operation between enclaves, protection against roaming outlaws ,and leaders with abilities to be firm and do what needs to be done .

SantaClaus 04-05-2014 08:12 AM

Antibiotics, gas stabilizer, and things that go bang. Canned and dried proteins.


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