You quoted me out of context, of course "you guys" has been used just about forever up North, but when this expression is directed at strangers it takes on a whole new meaning. It is disrespectful and downright crude especially when used to address restaurant patrons that should be addressed with more respect.:pepper2:

And then looking at it. Yes, I've seen that behavior by a grown up. :yuck:

At the risk of offending, I'm going to flip the post.

I love seperate checks and after eating out 60 times in 60 weeks with my golf group in many different places I have not had one waiter or waitress find a problem with that extra paperwork.

For the record, I overtip just because the staff is so agreeable on this subject. I also don't know for sure if my friends also over tip but when we leave the waiter or waitress is smiling and always say "Come Again".

We were all once in their shoes one way or another, one time or another. And I'd like to think there is some kind of grandparent universal bond that says "I'll look out for your grandkid in the villages and you look out for mine elsewhere."

My dad used to tip the photomat lady.

Tom, you will never offend when you start a post with "I love ...."
I was astounded when we first moved to The Villages and found out that separate bills were common place.
Even when couples don't sit together, and the group is large, the servers almost always manage to match people up and get the bills correct.
They certainly deserve a round of applause for that. :clap2:

"Disgusting" is right!!

First they blow germ droplets over the table, and then their dirty hands reach for the bread.......

Now come those who think this is just fine..... Eeeeewwwww

That's snot nice.

1. Customers who complain about the cold but don't bring a sweater.
2. Customers who don't wear their hearing aids so the server has to shout at them.
3. Customers who don't pay attention to the server when the specials or salad dressings are listed, making the whole spiel having to be repeated.
4. Customers who don't read the menu and ask questions that would not be necessary if they did.
5. Customers who wait until the server shows up and then starts reading the menu.
6. Cheap silverware.
7. Being shorted on cocktails and wine. Beer glasses are never half full!
8. Dirty restrooms.
9. Patio restaurants that don't allow dogs.

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Well I for one am a Northern Girl and I hate it when they say "you guys". This was not a term that anybody used in my generation. It's a generational thing. This only started about 15 yrs ago unlike our Southern counterparts who have always used the term Y'all.



I had to go back and look. I didn't quote you out of context, in fact I didn't quote you at all. I simply stated that I had been hearing "you guys and youse guys" for many years as opposed to your statement that "This was not a term that anybody used in my generation. It's a generational thing. This only started about 15 yrs ago unlike our Southern counterparts who have always used the term Y'all". This is a direct quote and I do disagree with your statement that it is a crude and disrespectful way to address others. If this is the worst you have been called, to your face, then you've lived a very special life. To me it's simply a way for the server to be cordial and friendly, but perhaps that's just me. I don't look at anyone serving me in a restaurant or any place else as being beneath me so casual greetings are welcome.

you can google anything
 

from the
The Chronicle of Higher Education
Hey, you guys!

"That’s the explanation for guy. But how do we get you guys, our most common way of addressing to more than one person?

The answer is grammatical. Guy is a noun. But in you guys, it takes on the guise of a pronoun.

And why is that? Blame it on an epidemic of politeness among speakers of the English language.

In the 18th century, speakers of English became so polite that they used the polite form you to address not just several people but even just one. Instead of thou art we said you are, even to one person.

But we still like to distinguish between singular and plural in our pronouns, so speakers of English invented a variety of ways to make a plural form of you. Some added –s in various shapes to make youse, you’ns, or yinz. Others, especially in the American South, added all to make you all and y’all.

And then, around the middle of the past century, people began adding guys to make you guys. Until then, guy referred just to men and boys, but the combination you guys acted as a plural second-person pronoun and could be applied to humans of any gender.

No, guys didn’t actually become a pronoun. It remains a noun. It’s just that the combination of you and guys acts like a plural pronoun. Funny thing, language!

Once that was established, you guys could be shortened to guys but still function as a second-person pronoun. “You guys, get to work” could be expressed as “Guys, get to work” without being restricted to males.

And so we have you guys today as the most widely used plural of you, at least in the United States. If you’re someone, especially someone female, who doesn’t like being addressed as “you guys” when you’re dining with a friend in a restaurant, either because it’s slangy or because guys ought to be men—you can blame it on Guy Fawkes. But don’t blame him too much, because if we’d kept thou we’d never have you guys.

When they tell you on the phone you have a reservation, and when you show up they say"we don't take reservations."

Hey, guy,

Thanks. I knew there had to be a history tied up with the singular/plural thing with the pronoun, but I never thought to look it up. Somebody got an article out of it. Love it.

"You guys" does not faze me. I answer to it. But I think that usage goes beyond the informal pluralization. Just imagine if a group of women were addressed as, "You gals." :shocked: That would be cringeworthy.

When you take the plural pronoun part and throw in the better-be-careful-what-you-call-a-woman routine and then have to use words that can carry connotation, as well as denotation, it can get a little complicated.

I just smile and give 'em my order.

I'm thinking that all of the cooking and restaurant shows are causing people to set their standards a bit too high. For the most part the restaurants here are fast food and the servers are any warm body that can drag a plate to the table. I think for the most part they are doing the best they can with what they have.

However, I personally would cringe when called "sweetie" or "honey". (Could be because whenever I use those terms I'm being sarcastic.) Now, I've gotten over it.

The other diners are something else. I am so sick of people putting their ugly, badly dressed babies on the table. The last time this happened was in a dog zone and they had the gall to question the dog being there. Hellooo, the dog was more attractive, better dressed and had documented lineage. Meanwhile, they have this child's butt right on the table.

I'm pretty much okay with everyone else's peeves. Loud groups just appear to be having fun. Waiters messing up, hey I admit to being the world's worst waitress while in school-figure it's payback-LOL.

sitting in a area that dogs are allowed and on the tables and chairs.
the loudness in the dinning rooms, due to poor design of the establishments.
wait staff that refers to the customers as: honey

Have you ever heard of the HonFest in Baltimore?
 

Take a look at these photos click here

HonFest is an annual festival held in the Hampden neighborhood of Baltimore, Maryland.

Hon is short for honey, a term often used in Baltimorese. It is a term of endearment for anyone including strangers passing on the street, your neighbor, and your family. It is a term that can be heard almost everywhere throughout Baltimore, but Hampden has the most use of the word. While Hon is a term used frequently, it has grown into a culture and has become a type of person.

My oldest son went to college in Baltimore, lived in that neighborhood and took me to the festival. The waitresses called everyone hon or honey. The photos are how women used to dress back in the day, so they say. It’s a fun event.

Are there places were it isn't? I'm asking sincerely, because my experience is that servers always ask a group if they want separate checks. :)

In the company I kept in NJ, asking for separate checks seemed like you were being cheap or that you didn't trust the others would pay their fair share. Every friday a bunch of teachers would go to a local bar and throw in some money for the check and leave when they felt like leaving. The bill would be $80 and there would be $160 in the kitty. No one wanted to be labeled cheap. We all could add.

Having separate checks allows for people to spend within their means and be responsible for their own spending and drinking. That's not "being cheap".

Why should we split the bill in half with a couple who spends $180 while we are spending $70? Some have been brazen enough to say we owed half, split right down the middle in situations like that. I rue the day I agreed to split the bill with a "friend" who ordered a $35 entree plus appetizer, an a la carte salad, 3 mixed drinks, dessert, and cappuccino, while I ordered a $16 entree and a glass of wine. I was used, and won't let it happen again.

A wait person who asks what WE are having tonight. Am I supposed to share it with her.him?

Charging money for extra ICE Cubes!!!!!!!

Yep, in NY it's viewed as CHEAP and the servers give a discreet eye-roll as they walk away.

Have to think there a lot of folks with very thin blood complaining about AC in Florida LOL

In Chicago it wasn't an option. The check was either split evenly or one person would let the others know what their portion was. I'm amazed at how efficient and commonplace it is here.

:agree:

The same happens in our area of Ontario, Canada. If separate cheques were ever requested, the Servers would NOT be happy!

In San Francisco, folks who asked for separate checks were frequently referred to as GOOLS (gaggle of old ladies) and you better ask for separate checks immediately. You could almost guaranty slow service once this request was made.

I think you missed my earlier post when I said that I love it down here because seperate checks are the norm. Someone asked if seperate checks wasn't a common practice all over the country and I shared my past. I agree with you entirely. That's also why I love cruising, no check splitting.

I know what you mean. Whenever someone said that to my friend, she would say "We! What do mean, we! What do you have; a mouse in your pocket?". She's a pistol.

Thanks for the memories! I grew up in a blue collar neighborhood just outside of Baltimore City, where hon is a term of endearment. If YOU GUYS ever get the chance to visit me, I will greet you at the door with a smile and say, " glad you could stop by; come on in hon". If I am expecting you and I don't hear you knock, just open the door and yell YOU WHO, then come on in!
The daughter of a real Hon! :wave:

Restaurants that have no noise abatement at their facilities. Sometimes the noise around you is deafening.

That "eye-roll" would cost them a tip if it was me.

When ordering breakfast, ham and eggs , the toast is always cold and the butter is sitting on ice. Sorry I just like warm toast.

+150 posts.................I'm surprised any of us go out to eat.

:a040::a040::a040:

lol

I may be alone in this but I can't stand it when the waiter/waitress says, "How's everything tasting?" This seems to be a relatively new thing or maybe only asked here in Florida. It just really annoys me. It sounds so low class to me for some reason. There are other aspects of dining out like clean flatware or needing a drink refill, etc. I'd prefer they as if everything is alright or if I need anything else. I never mention that it annoys me, but it does. I also agree that some restaurants are too cold for my liking.

Tip: If your butter is in a little wrapped foil package, Slip it under your leg (thigh), and it will soften. (maybe put it in a napkin, just in case it slips out)

Poor service, and pathetic food. Oh, wait, that's normal in TV.

I agree with Graciegirl regarding frozen or pre made/packaged food but also bad/rude service.

Welcome to the world of mediocrity.

Last night we ate at Arnold Palmers. There were 9 of us. The male waiter addressed each one of us as "young lady" and "young man".
I also don't like the of the word we, as in, "Would we like to have dessert?" He did that too.
I may be a patron but please don't patronize me.
Does anyone like it when someone calls you a young lady or a young man? I don't mind hon, honey, sweetie or anything like that from a waitress or sir, mister, bud from a waiter.

I hate being called young lady or girl. I usually reply that I worked hard to get to my age, TYVM. When asked what we girls want, I just say I got rid of my dolls a long time ago. Hon, sweetie, etc., doesn't bother me in the least. The server usually is trying to be friendly and, if seriously Southern, I take it as part of their speech patterns.