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Old 01-29-2015, 09:51 AM
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Default When you see the White House said, who is the White House?

Is there a list of people that if any one of them speaks they represent the WH?

Or is one person the representive of the WH?

When the WH speaks does it represent POTUS? When POTUS speaks can it be presented as the WH said?

When one reads a statement as in "...the WH is upset..." who is it that is upset?

Seems to me to be a purposefull ambiguity to put out statements allowing for deniability if and when needed.

I find ambiguity and oblique dialogues to be very unclear......and in politics BY DESIGN!!
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Think the last time a politician was perfectly clear was when HST had a plaque on his desk saying, "The buck stops here," and I'm not all that convinced he was truly straightforward. Obliqueness, ambiguity, lack of accountability, outright lying has been the order of the day in politics for a long, long time.
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The Press Secretary, who has the authority to speak for the Administration, headed by the President.
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How would the answer to the OP's question improve one's life?

I'm not sure why anyone would spend more than a tenth of a second worrying about such matters. Be careful or one could develop an ulcer the size of a deflated football in their stomach. Enjoy this wonderful day and thank God that you are on the proper side of the grass.

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Or maybe.......like in the last "Paranormal Activity" movie.....it actually IS the White House that is speaking!!!
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How would the answer to the OP's question improve one's life? It doesn't nor was it anticipated in the reason for asking!!

I'm not sure why anyone would spend more than a tenth of a second worrying about such matters. There is/was no worry involved in the question what so ever....not sure why one would conclude that other than facilitate the response, although inaccurate. Be careful or one could develop an ulcer the size of a deflated football in their stomach. Enjoy this wonderful day and thank God that you are on the proper side of the grass.

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I assume the responses were tongue in cheek with a smile.....mine are....
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Is there a list of people that if any one of them speaks they represent the WH?

Or is one person the representive of the WH?

When the WH speaks does it represent POTUS? When POTUS speaks can it be presented as the WH said?

When one reads a statement as in "...the WH is upset..." who is it that is upset?

Seems to me to be a purposefull ambiguity to put out statements allowing for deniability if and when needed.

I find ambiguity and oblique dialogues to be very unclear......and in politics BY DESIGN!!
billie: In my view you raise an interesting issue. How does it change one's life. Well for all listeners because of an awareness to such ambiguity one is fore warned and hence fore armed . Thanks for the heads up
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I believe that the phrase "The White House said .. or feels..." definitely means it is the feeling or stating of the President. The VP, the Chief of Staff, the First Lady are all components of the Presidential office. Their viewpoints are also considered feelings of the President when issued in an official release.

The official spokesperson for The White House is the Press Secretary.

It has been that way, is that way, and will be that way.

Side note: it takes approximately 300 gallons of paint to paint the exterior of the White House.
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I assume the responses were tongue in cheek with a smile.....mine are....
Okay, it can be tongue in cheek with a smile! Perhaps your original post should have been place in the "Just for Fun" category then? You have to be so careful now-a-days, a misplaced thread can bring out us pragmatists as well as the lefties and "wingnuts."

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Okay, it can be tongue in cheek with a smile! Perhaps your original post should have been place in the "Just for Fun" category then? You have to be so careful now-a-days, a misplaced thread can bring out us pragmatists as well as the lefties and "wingnuts."

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I was referring to your response and my response to it...NOT my original post.

Have a view, stance, opinion or intent, but allow others theirs as well. Still smilin'.
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I was referring to your response and my response to it...NOT my original post.

Have a view, stance, opinion or intent, but allow others theirs as well. Still smilin'.
Darn it I really thought that you were saying that your OP was "tongue-in-cheek! That would make sense and I was surely due the chastising because I missed it. That not being the case, then I would double-down and say that my view, stance, opinion and intent are as I stated in my original post, #4 above.

Thank you for allowing me to have my view, stance, opinion and intent.

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When "the White House says" something, it is a press secretary or his understudy who memorizes lines sent out in 140-character Tweets, but then forgets his lines.

Video example:

White House spokesman declines to label Taliban a "terrorist group" - Videos - CBS News


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When "the White House says" something, it is a press secretary or his understudy who memorizes lines sent out in 140-character Tweets, but then forgets his lines.

Video example:

White House spokesman declines to label Taliban a "terrorist group" - Videos - CBS News


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without their talking points, as proven by that video they are not capable of carrying on a cogent discussion. Good readers are just that and not much more! They put in the new tape in the morning and then one just needs to pull the string in the neck for a response!
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I clicked on the CBS link and the top of the page is titled Politics. So let the bloviation begin.
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without their talking points, as proven by that video they are not capable of carrying on a cogent discussion. Good readers are just that and not much more! They put in the new tape in the morning and then one just needs to pull the string in the neck for a response!
This is nothing new. Every White House spokesman has been doing the exact thing - probably since George Washington. We know for a fact it has been happening from Carter forward through all the Presidents to President Obama.

I always liked the television show called West Wing. Allison Janney was the Press Secretary. Best episode, in my opinion, was when the Deputy Chief of Staff - Rob Lowe - spent a night with a prostitute and accidentally switched cell phones with her. The prostitute kept getting all the secure, confidential calls and Rob Lowe kept getting her calls from "johns" wanting services.
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